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[David & Laura]

No: HPFGUIDX 123045


Gerry wrote:
> I think his detention was actually a good thing. He learned the hard way how far people are willing to go, and with what they can get away if they have the authority... Too bad he did not manage to control his temper. 

Lupinlore replied:
> This comment is so flabbergastingly out of line and downright immoral that I choose to believe you did not intend to make it. Kindly review what you have said and be more careful.

Dungrollin interjects:
> Stick to your guns, Gerry! I am of exactly the same opinion - and I agree with McGonagall, too. If someone is in a position of power and authority and is bent on making your life hell, giving them extra incentive to do it is foolhardy.

Magda:
> You're right, Gerry and Dungrollin too.  
> It's worth remembering that when Umbridge was finally defeated by the staff and students of Hogwarts, it wasn't because they defied her. She knew how to handle defiance and was prepared for it. 
> They successfully opposed her by taking her ridiculous rules to their illogical extreme. The teachers called on her constantly to put down fireworks with the result that she ran around the school all day and was exhausted. The students charmed the Quibbler so that they seemed to obey her rule not to read it and had she tried to enforce the rule she'd have had to check every item they owned to see if it was a charmed tabloid.
> Defiance did nothing except give Harry more physical pain. Know the enemy - first rule of warfare. Harry took a rather long time to figure that out.

David now:

I've been following this thread, as I do with most as a seasoned 
lurker, and thought I'd throw gas on the fire....having a can 
sitting here by the pc and all.

Imagine OOTP if Harry had not defied Umbridge and the MOM. Imagine 
if Harry had not acted on his visions and charged in to 
save 'Sirius'.

V'mort's plans would proceed unheeded. He could build his army and 
lay out the chess board in secret, thereby greatly improving his 
chance of victory and control.

Yet again though, Harry's actions dealt him a serious shot to the 
gut.

We can debate all the fine points and woulda/shoulda's, but the 
reality is now V'mort's exposed. The WW will be arming against him.

The actions are now justified. If everyone had followed the 
rules, .....?

David