Harry's bit of Voldy (apologies to Snow)

[dungrollin]

No: HPFGUIDX 123316


Dungrollin, previously:
<snip>
> It went something along the lines of: Voldemort 
> didn't transfer *some* of his powers to Harry, he 
> transferred *all* of his powers to Harry. Now, 
> whenever Voldy does magic, he has to access his 
> powers *through* Harry, which is why Harry's scar 
> hurts.
>
> Much as I like this idea, it doesn't seem (to me) 
> to be a satisfactory explanation either. Harry's 
> scar wasn't hurting while Voldy tortured Bertha 
> Jorkins, for example, it only got around to hurting 
> when he murdered Frank Bryce. I suppose you could 
> make the excuse that Voldy was in Albania with 
> Bertha, but in England with Frank, though I'd bear 
> in mind Snape's words that although "Time and space 
> matter in magic, Potter [...] The usual rules do 
> not seem to apply with you..." (OotP, chapter 24: 
> Occlumency, p469, UK)
<snip>

Finwitch:

About that -- Pettigrew used Voldemort's wand to kill Cedric Diggory,
on Voldemort's orders. So the rat IS able to do serious bit of
powerful dark magic (at least if he's using Voldemort's wand). If it
was the rat, rather than Voldemort in person who tortured poor Bertha
Jorkins, your theory holds. Maybe Voldemort was even posessing
Pettigrew at that time and using his powers rather than Harry's.


Dungrollin:
Could be, could be... I found what I was looking for in the archives 
(from not so long ago, actually), and it wasn't Carol's theory, it 
was from Snow – sorry Snow, I've got a memory like a ... a ... 
wossname.  It starts at post 121617 "Satellite!Harry". See, I'm 
liking this theory very much, but I'm afraid it's just not quite 
neat enough to completely convince me.  

There are hints that Voldy did torture and kill Bertha and *didn't* 
possess Wormtail to do it –

GoF, chapter 1: The Riddle House. Voldy says:
"I killed Bertha because I had to.  She was fit for nothing after my 
questioning, quite useless [...] But Memory Charms can be broken by 
a powerful wizard, as I proved when I questioned her.  It would be 
an insult to her *memory* not to use the information I extracted 
from her, Wormtail."

GoF, chapter 34: Veritaserum. Barty Crouch says:
"My master had found out that I was still alive.  He had captured 
Bertha Jorkins in Almbaina.  He had tortured her. [...] He tortured 
her until he broke through the Memory Charm my father had placed 
upon her."

GoF, chapter 33: The Death Eaters. Voldy says:
"... but the means I used to break the Memory Charm upon her were 
powerful, and when I had extracted all useful information from her, 
her mind and body were both damaged beyond repair.  She had now 
served her purpose.  I could not possess her. I disposed of her 
[...] Wormtail's body, of course, was ill-adapted for possession, as 
all assumed him dead, and would attract far too much attention if 
seen."

Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that Voldy didn't possess 
Wormtail briefly in order to torture and kill Bertha, but Voldy also 
says:

"Wormtail was able to follow the instructions I gave him, which 
would return me to a rudimentary, weak body of my own, a body I 
would be able to inhabit while awaiting the essential ingredients 
for true rebirth [...] a potion concocted from unicorn blood, and 
the snake venom Nagini provided ... I was soon returned to an almost 
human form, and strong enough to travel."

Which suggests that he became Voldy!baby in Albania before making 
his way back to England. (It also suggests, by the way, that Nagini 
was in Albania with him).  And we know for sure that as Voldy!baby 
he can cast an AK, because he kills Frank Bryce. So it's quite 
possible that it was Voldy!baby, rather than Wormtail who tortured 
and killed Bertha.

And finally, GoF, chapter 35: Veritaserum,
"It was very quick.  My father was placed under the Imperius curse 
by my master.  My master forced him to go about his business as 
usual..."

It could be argued that Barty Crouch is saying "my master" when what 
he means is "my master ordered Wormtail to...", except that after 
that he changes to:

"You needed Alastor Moody," said Dumbledore.  His blue eyes were 
blazing, though his voice remained calm.
[Crouch replies] "Wormtail and I did it."

So I see no reason to disbelieve Barty Crouch's implication that 
Voldy!baby was using magic (particularly as he was under Veritaserum 
at the time), that he used the Imperius curse on Crouch senior; but 
Harry didn't feel his scar hurt when it happened.


Finwitch:
And the fact that Voldemort lost it - all powers except for the
ability to possess... Perhaps because Lily's love prevented that 
power from entering into Harry - after all, Harry's great love for 
Sirius was what kept Voldemort from possessing him.

Dungrollin:
(Sorry, by the way: I always seem to be disagreeing with you, 
Finwitch.)  I'm not sure that Voldy being unable to possess Harry is 
really analogous to Harry being able to receive the power to possess 
from Voldy. Why did Lily's sacrifice only protect him from that and 
not from being a Parselmouth?
 

Finwitch:
Of course, after using Harry's blood for the resurrection potion--
Voldemort got the copy of his own powers, added with those Harry was
born with.

Dungrollin:
Hmm, not convinced by this one either, I'm afraid.  If Voldy now has 
Harry's powers that should include the power that "the Dark Lord 
knows not", which would either have killed him because it's 
incompatible with general Voldyness, or would mean he shouldn't have 
had any difficulties in possessing Harry in the MoM.


However, going back to my original problem with "transferred" rather 
than "copied" it occurs to me that if we're dealing with Possessed!
Tom, (Tom Riddle possessed by the spirit of Salazar Slytherin = 
Voldemort) the powers that Slytherin and Riddle had in common 
(parseltongue and probably some others) would already be present in 
double dose. If, when the AK (or whatever) rebounded on Voldy 
ripping him from his body, the experiment that worked made his 
spirit shed all non-essentials, those powers that he had two lots of 
could have (insert convincing mechanism here) ended up in Harry.

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced by Possessed!Tom.

Dungrollin
Sure (as usual) that she's missed something obvious.