James, a paragon of virtue? Snape, a paragon of virtue?
M.Clifford
Aisbelmon at hotmail.com
Sun Jan 30 23:47:19 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 123483
> Valky:
>> I attribute that flaw to another knightly quality, ego. This is
> something that James and Snape shared. Part of their fearlessness
> comes from a sense of outright superiority of the foe,invincibility
> if you please. Harry, is slightly less proud and arrogant than his
> father, but nevertheless he has it too.
>
> vmonte again:
> I like your chess game inferences by the way. But Harry plays the
> Bishop, not the Knight in chess. I like the scene in OOTP where
Harry notices that Ron is behaving very much like his father did in
the penseive.
Valky:
Good point Vivian. let me revise, it should say above that Harry is
*much* less proud than his father but has a similar arrogance.
He is definitely Bishop-like, all in all and a fair bit like his
mother, so far.
I can't help being reminded of the early chapter of OOtP,
especially, when Harry begins taunting Dudley. In my comparison, he
seems at first, like Lily in the pensieve when Snape calls her a
mudblood, then he seems to take a bit more James in the pensieve
approach and throws in some extra points that seem fairly righteous
*to Harry* but from the objective point of view, it is a *bit far*.
I think it is uncanny that it is at this moment, while he is feeling
very James... that the dementors come and he sets aside all thoughts
of what Dudley has coming to him, and just does the saving thing.
I kind of read that as a foreshadowing of James, but I could be
fooling myself, and James is not that bighearted really.
Well actually I don't for a second believe that disclaimer/apology
at all. Fact is, James behaviour towards Snape was entirely
reprehensible. But IMHO it doesn't mean he wasn't on a deeper level
exactly the good person that Sirius, Remus, Macgonagall and
Dumbledore painted him to be. Oh sorry vivian I am off on a tangent
again, thats not really directed at your post is it..
Basically I should have incorporated a more fair reasoning of the
Bishop into that post, you're right. Suffice to say that the is
noted for being the chess personification of holiness, but it is a
very formidable piece. One of the warriors? definitely.
OTOH I think that your noting of knightly Ron is entirely accurate.
Hermione was the kings side castle, I would be surprised if that was
not Lilys position also, and if her sacrifice for Harry in Godrics
Hollow was not some parrallel to castling...
Cheers
Valky
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