Snape's abuse v Mcgonagall abuse

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No: HPFGUIDX 131893

> > >>Alla wrote earlier:
> > Erm... I will agree with you that putting Neville on the spot 
in   
> > PoA was not a kind thing to do, but really that could at least 
be   
> > explained by her being upset that supposed murderer now in 
the     
> > castle because of Neville. 
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> I recognize McGonagall was upset.  I also recognize that she took 
her 
> fury out on Neville and made sure his *entire* house would look 
down 
> on him as an idiot.  However, Snape trying to *teach* Neville by 
> making him fear doing a potion wrong (which can have deadly 
> consequences) is inexcusable?  I'm missing a logic step here.


Alla:

No, I think you misunderstood me completely. I think that 
Mcgonagall's action while COULD be considered  emotionally abusive 
misses the key part to be indeed considered so - the INTENT on 
Minerva's behalf.

I don't think that Mcgonagall wanted to Neville's peers to hate him. 
I think that she maybe, I don't know - did not think it through, 
because she was upset that other kids could get hurt or even killed 
by Sirius.

When Snape on the hand does things to Neville, I see his only intent 
as making an exercise of public humiliation for Neville.



> Betsy Hp:
> I can only agree with McGonagall being ignorant of the points 
lineup 
> if you can show that, contrary to popular belief, she's a complete 
> idiot.  McGonagall *must* have known the house point standing.  
She's 
> highly competative, as we've already seen.  Why else did she bend 
> school rules to get Harry on the quidditch team?  And she's been 
> teaching for far too long to be shocked *shocked!* that the other 
> students would be so displeased at three little first years 
blowing 
> their chances at the house cup.  (Remember, after McGonagall 
taking 
> points Gryffindor went from first to last.  That's quite a slide.)


Alla:

Erm... I did not say anywhere that Minerva was ignorant of points 
lineup. I said  that Minerva's goal was NOT to make trio hated by 
other Gryffs, but simply to punish them. 

I would like to repeat the same argument which I stated earlier. 
IMO, McGonagall's INTENT is what makes her action OK to me at least. 

I am not sure what would you suggest for her to do at this point? 
Letting them go unpunished? I think that as a fair teacher , she did 
not have much choice here,actually.

THEN she would have been no better than Snape,IMO, you know, always 
letting the members of his house go unpunished.


Betsy:
 <SNIP>
  I don't understand why Neville got fifty 
> taken himself.  
<SNIP>
 (Maybe she just dislikes Neville in 
> general?)

Alla:

No, I don't think that she dislikes Neville in general. At least she 
praises him sometimes . "There is nothing wrong with you work except 
the lack of confidence" - paraphrase). I am not sure Snape ever said 
anything close to that to Neville.

Nuh,  in general, I adore Minerva as a teacher ( again - she sure 
had a few bad moments, but not many IMO).

I said earlier that if I ever get tired of being a lawyer and  
decide to put my teaching degree to work, I want to be like her and 
Lupin mixed together. :-)


Just my opinion,

Alla.