HELP! was Re: Paradox of Time Travel in PoA

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 132065

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Karen Barker"
<karenabarker at y...> wrote:
> 
> My head hurts.
> 
> ... What I don't understand is how can TT-H have the memory of a 
> patronus having been cast to save H/Hr & Sirius from the 
> dementor attack that hasn't already happened yet in the linear time 
> that they are both currently travelling through. ... TT-H/TT-Hr both 
> have memories of the events as happened to H/Hr but these events
> were surely only happening the first time at the same time as they 
> were being observed and anticipated.
> 
> Sorry that was really hard to put into words so I hope you get what 
> I mean!
> 
> Karen

bboyminn:

Heather gave an excellent explanation in response to your post. I'll
touch on what she said, but try not to dwell.

First, we MUST accept that this CAN NOT be resolved, because even with
the best theories and explanations, time travel creates unresolvable
paradoxes. Accept that there will never be a perfect understanding of
events, accept that all questions never can and never will be resolved
in our lifetime.

What we are dealing with is preception and perspective. There is a
Universal Time Line, the universal preception of the passing of time.
We call it history, as each minute (tiny, not 60 seconds) slice of
present slips into the past, it inches the Universal Time Line
forward. This is the standard for time, this is the beat that every
natural being in the universe marches too.

However, there are interlopers in time, there are people who step out
side this universal PRECEPTION of time; time travelers, for example.
But before I get into that, let's remember that the time traveler
create a new personal relativistic PERCEPTION of time, but do not
alter the Universal preception of time.

As Heather points out, while the Universal Time Line advances one hour
while Hermione attends three classes simultaneously, Hermione herself,
preceives three linear/consecutive hours of time. Three Hermione's
experience a single hour in time (3Hermy X 1Hr = 3 Hours) in the
Universal Time Line, in Hermione's personal time preception, Hermione
experiences three consecutive hours (1Hermy X 3hrs = 3 Hours).
Regardless of how you add it up, Hermione is three hours older, while
those of us living in the Universal Time Line are merely one hour older. 

Depending on how you calculated it, some of us have estimated that
Hermione is 30 days older as a result of her time travels. Remember,
nothing in life truly comes without a price. 

How can TT!Harry know what happened to normal Harry? Because to
Harry's Time Preception, he has already lived that time. He
experienced 6 consecutive hours while the Universal Time Line
experience only 3 consecutive hours. Harry entered the past FROM THE
FUTURE and in the future his future self has knowledge of the events
he has already lived. 

Again, this only creates the misery of two time lines, if you focus on
when he left the time line rather than when he entered it. Harry
arrived at 6pm with full knowledge of the life he had lived up to 9pm
later that evening. So, future TT!Harry has 9pm knowledge, but that
knowledge and experience, which we call history, was shaped and even
created by his arrival in the Universal Time Line at 6pm. He knows
what he knows because he was there to help create that knowledge.

Remember, you will NEVER resolve this completely, NEVER. There will
always be some part of it that doesn't work or doesn't make sense,
because that is the nasty nature of time travel. We who support the
single time line theory, are not promoting the perfect solution, only
the least painful one. Not pain-free, just the least painful.

Nothing like a little time travel to give you a good headache.

steve/bboyminn