Re: Dumbledore’s Assisted Suicide Theory

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I'm with you in the reasoning.  I arrived at the same conclusion.  
Check my post #132916... My theory also includes a possible 
Unbreakable Vow performed between Snape and Dumbledore, in which DD 
makes Snape vow to help Harry in his fight against Voldie.  Because, 
what is Snape's double agent's worth to the Order if nobody will 
believe he had to kill DD as per his own orders?  The book ended 
with those Order members believing Snape was a traitor... but Jo 
said in her last interview that in HP7 we'll get to know some old 
Order members a lot better.

Marcela


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Dysis" <d.marchel at c...> wrote:
> Now, before I begin, I'd like to say that I do not agree with 
> assisted suicide, and I really would not appreciate any flames. I 
> realize this is a very controversial subject, especially when 
> associated with a series aimed at a younger audience. I'm writing 
> this theory because perhaps JKR does support assisted suicide, as 
> controversial as that statement sounds. Now, on with the theory

> 
> Pretty self-explanatory, I think. But let me go into the details. 
I 
> do not believe DD was becoming senile, or as Harry called him, "a 
> foolish old man." Perhaps physically he was less able than before, 
> as shown with his hand injury from the fight with LV, but mentally 
> he seemed in very good shape. Dumbledore trusted Snape, and I 
don't 
> believe he was wrong in doing so. DD saw so much of Harry that 
Harry 
> did not see in himself. DD knew that HP belonged in Gryffindor, 
even 
> when Harry doubted himself. DD also showed Harry how truly 
different 
> from Voldemort he was because he had love. So why should he be 
wrong 
> about Snape? Yes, Snape is a good Occlumens, but Dumbledore is a 
> good Legilimens. Even after Harry mentions how good of an 
Occlumens 
> Snape is and that he could have easily lied, Dumbledore mearly 
looks 
> at harry and says, "I trust Severus completely" [P. 549, US]. DD 
> knows real evil. He can sense crooked traits such as a taste for 
> power and a lack of empathy that certain people possess – like, 
for 
> instance, Tom Riddle. However, we know that Snape does not lack 
> empathy – he cares for Draco enough to make an Unbreakable Vow 
with 
> his mother. He's always cared for Draco and revered him as a 
> student. And anyway, it seems that Draco's family itself is trying 
> to break free of LV's grasp on them. Notice that in the 5th book, 
> Kreachure considered Narcissa Malfoy his second Mistress, while in 
> the 6th book he now calls Bellatrix his second mistress. In 
addition 
> to this, Draco obviously hesitated and could not kill DD at the 
end 
> of the 6th book. Snape being tied very close – to the death, in 
> fact – with this family proves a certain amount of resistance to 
the 
> dark Lord, does it not?
> 
> While in the enchanted cave, DD took a potion that "was no health 
> drink" [P. 580, US]. That is all that we learn directly from DD, 
but 
> in the cave, Harry notices DD's odd behavior induced by the 
potion. 
> This, in itself, was incredibly dark and made me uncomfortable. 
> Dumbledore actually pleaded for death! We have no idea what the 
> potion was meant to do – perhaps it was meant to imitate the 
> emotions of the little boy and girl LV terrorized in that cave, or 
> perhaps something else – but it weakened DD substantially, made 
his 
> seem more child-like (primitive, maybe? I'm not sure of the word 
to 
> use here), and made him ask for death. Now, let's flash forward to 
> the tower scene. Draco was unable to kill DD, and even in his 
> weakened state, DD was able to make Draco doubt where his loyalty 
> lay (family, rather than LV) and asked him to join the good side. 
It 
> seemed that Draco was almost convinced to join the good side 
before 
> the door swung open and some Death Eaters joined the crowd. Even 
> they couldn't get Draco to kill DD, but then Snape burst onto the 
> scene.
> 
> "`Severus
.'
> The sound frightened Harry more than anything he had experienced 
all 
> evening. For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading.
> Snape said nothing, but walked forward and pushed Malfoy roughly 
out 
> of the way. The three Death Eaters fell back without a word. Even 
> the werewolf seemed cowed.
> Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion 
and 
> hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face.
> `Severus
 please
'"
> 
> Revulsion and hatred etched in Snape's face? Hatred for what? For 
> Dumbledore, one of the kindest and wisest men thus far in the 
books? 
> The one man who showed Severus love and trust? I would rather say 
> that perhaps anger was etched in Snape's face. Both DD and Snape 
are 
> good Legilimens. It is not implausible that they could perhaps 
> communicate telepathically as well. In fact, I am surprised that 
no 
> solid examples of this have been shown in the books yet, since 
> teleporting (Apparating, in this case) and mind reading are 
> possibilities. Dumbledore, knowing that Snape had done an 
> Unbreakable Vow after earlier discussions with him, would know 
that 
> if Snape didn't kill him, Snape would die – and that would be a 
> horrible blow to everybody, since Snape was the Order's only spy, 
> and a very high up in LV's ranks as well. So telepathically, DD 
> asked Snape to kill him. And with anger etched on his face – that 
he 
> had to kill the one man who truly trusted him and actually loved 
him 
> (remember, Snape lacked love when he was younger) – and being 
bound 
> by the Vow, he did as DD asked.
> 
> I'd love feedback! But please, do not flame me, because I know 
this 
> is a very controversial issue.
> 
> ~Dysisgirl