TBAY: DRASTIC LIST, DREAD SINKING (Long)
saraquel_omphale
saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 20 10:59:45 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 133414
Dumbledore Reveals All Snape's Tribulations In Cave, Locket Is Still
Trapped. Dumbledore's Relation Ese!Aberforth Declared, Someone
Inquire!(alternative spelling) No-one Knows It's Not Gone.
D.R.A.S.T.I.C L.I.S.T, D.R.E.A.D. S.I.N.K.I.N.G.
To cut the preamble and get straight to the theory, go to *********
Saraquel was pacing the 7th floor corridor, muttering. "I need a
watertight theory, I need a watertight theory, I need
. Oh!" To her
utter surprise a door appeared in the wall. Heart in mouth she
pushed the door slowly open and walked forward into a vast hanger
which appeared to be arching over a marina. She could smell the
sharp tang of the sea, but all she could see were wharves and
wharves filled with every sort of imaginable craft stretching to
seeming infinity in all directions.
"Ahem."
Saraquel jumped and looked down to see an elf smartly dressed in a
creaseless white pillowcase with a square neck edged in blue, bowing
low before her.
"Plank , The Keeper of the Hangar of Theories, at your service. How
can I be of assistance?"
Saraquel, surprised to find anyone here, quickly recovered,
mumbling, "Er, yes, I er need a watertight theory, well
maybe one
that's not too leaky
" Her voice tailed away. The elf smiled
eagerly. "But of course, concerning
..?"
"Oh, potions and lockets mainly."
"Ah, squeaked Plank excitedly, there hasn't been much demand for
those, but I thought the hurricane might change things. We did a
roaring trade in memory theories before the storm." He said,
indicating a wharf slightly to the left, where Saraquel recognised a
couple of smallish boats. She noted sadly that H.I.D.D.E.N P.O.O
was all that was left of the name of one vessel. She had remembered
admiring it from the shore before the hurricane came through and
wondered if there was anything worth salvaging left on board.
Plank was tugging, gently but firmly at her sleeve, "Please walk
with me," he said. Saraquel followed as they turned away from the
memory wharf and passed one signposted Powers and another ESE!DD.
Plank, tutted and looked away as they hurried past it.
"Would Mistress like a TOE?"
Saraquel looked puzzled and eventually muttered, "Well, I suppose I
will need a tow, I doubt I'll last very long."
Plank, smiled nervously unsure how to respond, then realising, he
suddenly bowed very low and said "Oh forgive me Mistress, I did not
make myself clear, I meant a Theory of Everything."
"Oh goodness, no! I was only looking for something fairly small and
robust, that could perhaps be added to if it proves seaworthy. It's
my first real outing you know."
Plank looked somewhat crestfallen but did his best to mask it, "Ah,
otherwise I was going to offer you
" He gestured towards a
magnificent craft called The Poitioneer, which looked brand spanking
new.
"Oh, no! You see, initially, I'm interested in what that potion was
that DD drank in the cave. It seems to me that it is really rather
key."
"Perhaps the boatbuilding bay will be the best place Mistress.
Please come this way" and Plank led her to a small workshop full of
rather unpromising materials, hidden behind a battered door.
"If Mistress could explain further, Plank is very sorry not to have
studied legilimancy, but it is forbidden for us elves to even
contemplate.."
"Oh no, I quite understand." Saraquel interrupted, embarrassed.
Taking a deep breath she started:
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(All quotes from UK editions)
If we assume that the real Horcrux has been stolen by RAB, then the
original potion made by Voldemort must have been drunk, and the
potion now in the basin has been created by RAB, after he (and I do
think RAB was Regulus Black more about that in a minute) replaced
the locket. Which means Voldemort's potion left him standing
hmmm, I think not. I think that the potion is Voldemort's
original. DD assumes that it has been created by Voldemort and says
this to Harry
Ch 26, p532 "I should have said, he would not want immediately to
kill the person who reached this island, <snip> He would want to
keep them alive long enough to find out how they managed to
penetrate so far through his defences and, most importantly of all,
why they were so intent upon emptying the basin. Do not forget that
Lord Voldemort believes that he alone knows about his Horcruxes."
So what potions would we put in to get that result?
PS Pb edition ch8 p103 "For your information Potter, asphodel and
wormwood make a sleeping potion so powerful it is known as the
Draught of Living Death." This is also the potion which Harry made
so brilliantly in HBP using Snape's potion book. This would keep
someone alive, but leave them lying at the foot of the basin. Its
colour is the palest of pink (HBP p 181)
Veritaserum would of course ensure that they reveal their secrets.
Veritaserum is colourless and odourless (HBP ch12 p175)
There may well be another potion or potions involved here, as the
colour of the potion in the basin is emerald green and luminescent.
I'm sure that I've read of Hermione successfully making something
like this, but I can't find it. Also, blending potions, may well
not be the same as blending paint colours!! There is one
interesting remark, which might well be a clue on p535 it
says "Dumbledore drank, as though it was an antidote Harry offered
him
"
If we watch the effect of the potion on DD, we see that half way
through the fourth goblet he is described: (HBP Ch26, p534) "His
face was twitching as though he were deeply asleep, but dreaming a
horrible dream." Then later, as DD is lying at the bottom of the
tower he is described (End ch28 p 568) "Dumbledore's eyes were
closed; but for the strange angle of his arms and legs, he might
have been sleeping."
Now, assuming that Vertaserum is in the mix and Voldemort wants to
find out DD's motives for getting the Horcrux, what do we make of
what DD is saying. Well, I thought it could well be DD's memory of
Snape recanting. Stay with me here I promise I'll explain! One
thing that we don't yet know is the nature of the bond that occurs
between wizards when one saves the other's life. Remember, James
saved Snape's life, so Snape is bonded in some way to James. What
if that bond has some sort of kickback if it is abused. By Snape
informing Voldemort of the prophesy, he directly endangered James's
life and would therefore be responsible for James's death. This
could well have effects like the breaking of an Unbreakable Vow. I
won't quote the whole passage of what DD says, but I think it fits.
Remarks like "It's all my fault" " I know I did wrong" "Don't hurt
them, don't hurt them, please, please."
Breaking the bond could start up some sort of punishment by
something like ghosts, or souls beyond the veil. P353 "Dumbledore
began to cower as though invisible torturers surround him:"
Then there is loads of - please make it stop and I'll do anything
sort of remarks.
This makes much more sense of DD trusting Snape because of his
remorse over dropping James in it. If there was real punishment for
abusing the bond, then DD could have exacted some sort of promise
from Snape at that time, which released him from the torture he was
experiencing. But Snape is then bound, possibly unwillingly, to
stay on the side of good. Or maybe, the bond simply moved on to
Harry I don't know about this, there could be lots of loopholes
here.
BUT, if this is the memory of Snape's recanting, it really fits
incredibly well with the Vertaserum theory. Remember, Voldemort
wants to know why anyone would be intent on emptying the basin. Why
does DD want to get the Horcrux? He wants to make sure that Harry
survives. Why is Harry likely not to survive? Other than the fact
that there might be more Horcruxes out there, the main thing in DDs
mind is that Voldemort has chosen to believe the prophecy and acted
upon it. If he had not chosen to act upon it there would be no
problem for Harry.
Ch23 p476 "But Harry, never forget that what the prophecy says in
only significant because Voldemort made it so. <snip> Voldemort
singled you out as the person who would be most dangerous to him
and in doing so, he made you the person who would be most dangerous
to him!"
Therefore DD reveals his true reason for trying to get the Horcrux
in the basin is tied up with the interpretation of the prophecy and
Harry's involvement. It is NOT just to try and destroy Voldemort.
Hence, his memory of the first time he learned that Voldemort was
going to act on what Snape had told him. Hope that's clear.
Now for the water that forms the lake. I don't think it is water at
all. I think it is something like an Invigoration Draught (OotP
ch29 p582) The lake is described as not behaving like water, the
ripples die too quickly etc. (someone else might be able to help me
out here with another appropriate potion) If this is still the
setup which Voldemort left, then he would need some sort of
restorative potion to revive the person out cold from the Draught of
Living Death, so he could get the information from them.
Note, that after Harry has thrown it on DDs face, he comes to life
enough to cast the fire spell. He would still however be
experiencing the effects of veritserum (unless of course he has
blocked them!) which makes the remark right at the end of the
chapter about not being worried because he is with Harry, all the
more touching.
Now for the locket. Yes, well this where things get a bit dodgy,
but they could hold together as long as the wind doesn't get up.
Harry does not look properly at the locket in the cave (ch26
p537) "he barely registered the golden locket lying curled beneath
it." DD picks it up later and scoops it into his pocket. They then
exit stage right back to Hogwarts. So Harry does not know at that
point what locket was lying in the basin.
Now, if , unlike Plank the elf, you are still awake, we will make a
small diversion from Harry and DD and go back to the mysterious RAB.
I'm not the first person to link RAB with Regulus Black, and there
are plenty of posts already linking the locket which no-one could
open in Grimauld Place, with the little treasure store which
Kreacher hid away, with Mundungus and his suitcase in Hogsmead, with
the unnamed barman from the Hogshead, whom, I believe it is commonly
know is DD's brother Aberforth. I'm not sure where JKR mentioned
this, but I do remember reading that she has pretty well admitted
that it is him. Well now I'm going to Christen him either ESE!
Aberforth, or ESH!Aberforth (Ever so Helpful).
But before we get to that, let's go back a bit. Let's say that
Regulus Black discovered Voldemort's secret and found one of his
Horcruxes and I don't for one minute think it was the locket.
Let's say it was one of the other ones, but not Nagini. OK, it's a
puzzle quite how it happens, I can't provide chapter and verse, the
important thing is that the Horcrux he found was NOT Voldemort's
locket. This false!locket is now IMO in Aberforth's hands. Harry
finds the false!locket under his knee at the end of Ch28 and assumes
that it has fallen out of DDs pocket when he fell. Well actually,
that's sort of wishful thinking because what it actually says is
(ch28 p568) "The locket they had managed to steal so many hours
before had fallen out of Dumbledore's pocket." So really this whole
thing hinges on whether you believe that ESE!Aberforth/ESH!Aberforth
(for who knows what his motives were) put the locket beside DDs body
before Harry got there or it really is the locket they found in the
cave.
If at this point you are cursing me roundly for leading you a long
trail only to let you down then please provide a better
explanation for what is happening with the potion in the Cave, and
if it was put there by RAB (and possibly a n other Kreacher nod to
thread on list!) what was he hoping to achieve, given that the
writer of the message knows that he can't kill Voldemort "I face
death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal
once more." And why isn't he lying on the rock in a stupor waiting
for Voldemort to arrive having had to drink Voldemort's potion?
If DD still has the real locket in his pocket, then it's locked
inside the tomb with him and it will provide a good plot twist
later. (Ch30 p 606) "If Dumbledore was right and I'm sure he was
there are still four of them out there. I've got to find them and
destroy them and then I've got to go after the seventh bit of
Voldemort's soul" But let's leave the ramifications of that until
we've tested the seaworthiness of this theory on TBAY.
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Plank, was staring at Saraquel with glazed eyes, and she wondered
whether house elves had the ability to sleep with their eyes open,
in common with other of their kinfolk in a different book.
The lengthy silence brought him round, and he jumped up in
confusion. Then grasping a rubber ring which had been embellished
with bells and whistles and had a rubber duck as it's figurehead, he
bowed low and presented it to Saraquel.
"Ah, right. Not that seaworthy then eh
" Saraquel stuffed the
bottle of 10 year old Bruichladdich she'd brought to keep her
spirits up, into her inside pocket. Squished the rubber ring over
her head and waded gingerly into the calm and as yet empty waters of
TBAY.
Disclaimer: although I've read a fair number of posts, there is no
way that I've read all of them. If I've repeated things that have
already been posted and not credited them please accept my apologies
and if you reply to this post, please create a link to your original
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Saraquel
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