LOTR Parallels in HBP - WEASLEY IS OUR KING!

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 133438

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lealess" <lealess at y...> wrote:
> <tankgirl73 at s...> wrote:
>We have:
>1.  Pieces of soul stored in a ring
>2.  Evil giant spiders
>3.  The bodies of the dead guarding a path through water (Inferi in
HP; Dead Marshes in LOTR)
>4.  Evil servants bent and twisted to the nefarious purposes of the 
>leader (Death Eaters in HP; Nazgul in LOTR)
>5.  Young, purehearted heros (Frodo & Sam; Harry & Ron)
>6.  Great Wizards (Dumbledore; Gandalf)
>7.  Reflective basins which reveal hidden thoughts of the past 
(Pensieve in HP) and future (Galadriel's Mirror in LOTR).
>8.  Wise forest creatures who speak in riddles (Ents in LOTR; 
>C'ent'aurs in HP)
>
>Any others I've missed?

> lealess:
 
> Others have noted HP similarities to LOTR:
> http://www.mugglenet.com/hpvslotr.shtml
> 
> Let's suppose that this story is (slowly) following the outline of 
The Lord of the Rings.
> We have an initially reluctant, heroic young man, set to do a 
daunting task and right wrongs from the past
> We have friends going off on the great adventure, forsaking their
> comfortable but changing homeworld
> We have other warriors for the good fighting on other fronts (the
> Order)
> We have, of course, the great wizard, now gone
> Let's not forget the great, non-human evil itself
> And he's got a posse
> We have the many non-DE supporters of evil on the home front, either
> active (Fudge) or passive (Borgin & Burkes)
> We have the would-be warlords aligned with evil (Lucius Malfoy)
> We have the flawed principalities (Ministry, Durmstrang)
> We have leaving an ideal place for a darker world of doom and 
destiny
> So... what's left?  Pathetic Gollum.  The one who saves the day!
> Who is Gollum in the story?
> It couldn't really be Dobby, could it?
> 
> Suppose it's Severus Snape
> What can we expect from him, then?
> He will do something wholly selfish which will save the day
> What would cause him to do that wholly selfish thing?  Dark Arts? 
the past?
> 
> Or is Snape Wormtongue? no, that's probably Wormtail
> Or is Snape Boromir? that's probably Draco
> 
> Aragorn?  The Half-Blood Prince, reclaiming his throne?


vmonte now:

I just figured out something (I think). Dumbledore is coming back, 
like Gandolf, but it's not going to be really Dumbledore. I admit 
that I was one of the people that believed the outrageous theory that 
Ron was Dumbledore, and I was wrong!

I still wonder though why JKR had Ron in charge of the chess game in 
the SS/PS.  I mean as soon as I read this scene I realized right away 
that the chess game was meant to be a metaphor for the old and new 
war against Voldemort. (Many book writers and posters have also 
pointed this out.)

What I did not understand was why Ron was in charge of the game and 
not Harry? Granted I also understand that Harry is the "seeker" in 
the war, and that although he is part of the Order/Gryffindor team, 
he has always had a solitary role to play. In fact, the fact that 
Harry plays the part of the bishop in the chess game really seems to 
reflect his real role in the series (more detail later since I'm 
already late for work).

Hermione is straight laced, moves in straight lines, so the 
rook/castle piece also fits her.  So, why is Ron the Knight? Not only 
is he the knight but he is the stratigist in charge of where the 
pieces will go. Curious...

So moving on, who do you think will become the Gryffindor team 
captain in book 7?
Now that Harry is gone, will Ron take his place? Will he be an even 
better captain than Harry? Will he gain more confidence? 

JKR even lets us know at the end of HBP that the Gryff team can now 
survive even without Harry in the game (see last Quid game of HBP). 
I'm thinking that Ron will get this position. The stratigist finally 
gets show his skill.

I noticed in HBP that JKR (another JKR joke?--geared for Ron=DD 
believers?) has spiders fall onto Dumbledore's head during a talk 
with Harry outside the Weasley property. Ok, we get it JKR, Ron is 
not Dumbledore (Ron is afraid of spiders, DD is not). Later in the 
book, Ron celebrates his birthday and his mother gives him a watch 
that sounds seems a lot like Dumbledores!???? Another JKR joke? Now 
that's just plain mean! :)

JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT RON IS DUMBLEDORE! 

But, what do you think would happen if at the final fight of book 7 
Dumbledore were to burst in fighting? Who would get freaked out do 
you suppose? Would it throw anyone off guard? Maybe Snape? or 
Voldemort? 

I propose that Ron, who has always been out shined by both his 
friends will indeed have his real moment in the spotlight. 

Ron will find some of DD's hairs (on a brush, or in his office) and 
he will polyjuice himself to look like Dumbledore. 

Weasley is Our King!  ROAR!!!!!

Vivian - Who is ready to be wrong once again.