Trelawney's Tarot Tarot Reading
anthyroserain
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Fri Jul 22 10:28:47 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 134095
leslie41 wrote:
> When Harry is hiding from Trelawney in book 10, just after he's
> discovered the HPB's potions book, she walks past him, muttering
to
> herself.
>
> But it's not just muttering. She's doing a reading. She pulls out
> the two of spades (conflict), seven of spades (ill omen), ten of
> spades (violence), and knave of spades"A dark young man, possibly
> troubled, who dislikes the questioner."
>
> Trelawney is doing, in fact, a tarot card reading. Spades are the
> lesser arcana's version of swords, and the brief interpretations
> that Trelawney gives as she walks support this.
anthyroserain:
Thanks for your brilliant analysis of the cards! I decided to snip
all of your comments from this post, because they were so detailed
and excellent that I didn't know what to take out. Everybody, read
the original post!
I have a few comments, just to add some additional speculation to
everything you've already said.
Two of Swords:
If you accept ESE! Snape, this could be Dumbledore's blindness about
Snape. He's too intelligent and trusting to make the right decision.
But then again, it's Harry's reading, so it may be, as you say,
Harry's need to "look at both sides." It might be he who is blind to
the situation.
I'd also add that this card seems to suggest occlumency. The
description on the site you linked to says "A balance between
equally matched opponents. A duel. Blocked emotions. Tension.
Holding in emotions. Defensiveness." Sounds like Snape and Harry's
final duel, and Snape's advice.
Seven of swords:
It's The Flight of the Prince. This card, more than the others,
might seem to point to ESE!Snape. But it also could signify intrigue
and acting as a spy. It's Snape on the card, but whose side is he
betraying? Of course, as in the book, it's ambiguous. And again,
it's Harry's reading, so this suggests that perhaps he doesn't know
the entirety of Snape's motives.
Another website
(http://www.paranormality.com/tarot_seven_of_swords.shtml)
has the description "Reluctance to carry through daring actions when
necessary, failure of nerve and indecision. Inability and reluctance
to complete what has been started."
This definitely sounds like Snape's reluctance to kill Dumbledore!
But whether that is reluctance due to the UV (ESE!Snape) or the
promise Dumbledore may have urged him to make earlier (good!Snape)
is left open.
Ten of Swords:
The clearest. Nothing I have to add here.
Page of Swords:
This is a bit of what
http://www.paranormality.com/tarot_page_of_swords.shtml
says:
"Upright - A good personal emissary, although sometimes a card
associated with spying or surveying others from a detached viewpoint.
Ill Dignified or Reversed - A two faced, cunning and possibly
vindictive person... A seeker of hidden weaknesses in enemies,
devious and given to snooping in other people's affairs."
Sure sounds like the Great Snape Debate :D
leslie41:
> It is my view that these readings are relatively neutral in terms
of
> their judgement on the character. The negative aspects are
balanced
> out by the positive.
I agree. I believe Snape is on the good side, but I think this is
all an indication that JKR could go either way with this, and she
intends to leave it open and surprise us all...
-anthyroserain
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