horcruxs

[darqali]

No: HPFGUIDX 134611

[does yone know how to pronounce this word?]

Tom Riddle made and left at least one Horcrux during his Hogwarts 
school days:  the Diary, which we meet in COS; which contains "the 
memory" of his school-age self, and a piece of his soul, which he 
could have used to regain a body .... had he not been thwarted by 
Harry using the Basilisk fang [how ironic is *that* ??; ... using the 
fang of Slythern's basilisk to thwart Slythern's heir  !!]

We know it takes a death to 'split the soul' in order to create a 
Horcurx; which is an object or creature in which a part of a human 
soul is hidden.

What death was involved in creation of the Diary as Horcrux?  Well, 
there was Moaning Myrtle, who died as a result of Tom Riddle 
releasing the basilisk .... she didn't die directly at Riddle's hand 
[not an AK curse killing], though as a result of Riddle's actions; 
but that is the one death that we know of in the right time-frame to 
have been the soul-splitting murder for the creation of that early 
Horcurx-forming event. [If Moaning Myrtle is *not* the death that was 
needed to make that first split of Riddle's soul, whose was?]

*If* Tom Riddles' Special Services to the School Award were a second 
Horcrux, would there not have had to be a *second* death associated 
with Tom Riddle, while at the school?  Also:  this is not "something 
of Ravenclaw's or Griffendor's", which Dumbledore *assumes* is the 
most  likely unknown Horcrux object].

Tom took his uncle's ring, murdered his father and grandparents 
{fixing blame upon said uncle}, and created a Horcurx after that 
event. [His fathers' and grandparents' deaths were certainly soul-
splitting events to create the Horcurx with the ring]. We [Dumbledore 
and Harry] presume the Hufflepuff cup and Slythern locket became 
Horcruxes [Horcruxi ??? whatever the plural is]; one probably upon 
the death of the old lady who was murdered to obtain them .... 
another with one of the other significant murders Voldemort was known 
to have done prior to his downfall with his attempt on Harry...

I cannot see Harry as a Horcrux, again, because Voldemort tried to 
kill Harry; clearly, Dumbledore thought that the event of killing 
Harry {who Voldemort thought of as the boy of the prophecy} would be 
an ideal soul-splitting killing for the creation of Voldemort's final 
[sixth] Horcrux, but it didn't happen .... hence, Dumbledore's guess 
that the snake Nagini was used much later, after Voldemort's return 
to a rudementary body.

But there must have been an object at hand ["something of 
Griffendors" ???] in Godric's Hollow which Riddle/LV *intended* to 
use as his Horcrux with Harry's expected demise .... 

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It seems  clear that there were ever only 6 Horcruxes, because Tom 
Riddle decided "Seven was the most powerfully magical number"; 
meaning, his soul would be most powerfully protected by dividing it 
into seven pieces; One for his living self, the remaining six pieces 
hidden to anchor his "self" to life and prevent his death in the 
event of his body dying.

His body died when his AK curse rebounded from his failed attempt to 
kill Harry; his sixth Horcurx was not {as planned} formed at that 
time; but he did not die, because there *were* 5 Horcruxes [The 
Diary; the Ring; Hufflepuff's Cup; Slytherin's Locket; "something 
{unknown} of Griffendor's or Ravenclaw's"] existing which prevented 
his death.

When Wormtail was able to help Voldemort regain a 'baby body' that 
origional soul fragment was again contained within it; and he 
regained a more 'adult' body with the ritual performed with the 
kidnapped Harry.  One part of his soul was gone by then [the piece in 
the Diary which Harry destroyed] but it didn't matter.

Later, Dumbledore found and destroyed the Horcrux that was the Ring.

Dumbledore *guessed* another was Nagini the snake; and both he and 
Harry *guessed* the Hufflepuff Cup and Slythern's locket were two 
more; and that left the final unknown object ... which Dumbledore 
postulated would be something of Ravenclaw's, or possibly 
Griffendor's ... though Dumbledore thought that it wouldn't be 
Griffendor's because the *only known object* was safe in his office 
[the sword, which came to Harry from the Sorting Hat in GOF, and had 
thus not ever been in Riddle/LV's hands]  

[Which leaves the speculation about the Sorting Hat itself; but when 
would Riddle have had access to *that*, when it resided in the 
Headmaster's office; and directly after splitting a soul-splitting 
murder?]

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Another thing not clear, which is not being mentioned in these 
discussions, is the time lapse between the prophecy, the reporting of 
the prophecy by Snape to LV, and the attack on the Potters'; and 
Snape's repentance and return to the side of "good" and Dumbledore.

Trelawny makes the prophecy *before the birth of either boy [Harry or 
Neville] to whom it might apply*.

Snape was not yet working at Hogwartswhen he overheard Trelawny; we 
know he had been going to apply for a job, {in order to spy for LV}; 
and at that time was a DE.

Harry was around a year old when his parents were killed.  Since the 
prophecy was made prior to his [and Nevilles'] birth, clearly, *over 
a year had elapsed* between the prophecy being made and LV's act of 
attempted murder against Harry.

What was Snape's position in that year?  Rejected job applicant ?  
New Hogwarts teacher, a spy for LV, un-suspected by Dumbledore?  
Teacher *suspected* by Dumbledore?

*When* did he confess to Dumbledore and "turn back" to the good 
side?  Clearly, *after* LV's fall; *after" the Potters' death.  But 
how long after?

comments?

"darqali"