Prophecy misinterpretation?/Oho! in The Cave
mompowered
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Sun Jul 24 23:56:33 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 134657
Hello,
Something about the prophecy Trelawney made has struck me as odd
since I first read it. After I read HBP, I've given more thought to
it and wrote up the following ideas which may be unlikely, but
interest me nevertheless:
Could the few who know the contents of the prophecy (or part of it)
have misinterpreted it? In other literarure, prophecies are often
tricky and can be interpreted several ways. It is important that LV
interpreted the part of the prophecy that he heard in the most
literal way; he seems to have waited to see which boys would be born
at the end of July to parents who had defied him three times and
chose to target the Potters because it resulted in his temporary
downfall, Harry's scar, etc...and may, as Dumbledore put it, have
given Harry, "the tools for the job" and created the very conditions
under which the prophecy would be fulfilled. Yet, not all
prophecies are self-fulfilling as we saw in Prisoner of Azkaban --
Trelawney's prediction there came true on its own. What if neither
Harry or Neville are "The Chosen One", but someone else who has the
ability to vanquish LV (Note that the prophecy never says that this
person will be successful)? These are some musings I have had
lately about the prophecy, since reading HBP:
Take the prophecy line by line (sorry if I get part slightly wrong,
I am doing this from memory and do not have the book in front of me
right now):
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approches.
With the word "born" in the next line, this is usually interpreted
to refer to the approching birth of the one who has this power. Who
was literally approaching when this prophecy was made? Severus
Snape.
Born to those who have thrice defied him. Born as the seventh month
dies.
It seems that Snape's mother would have attended Hogwarts at the
same time as LV/Tom Riddle based on Snape's age, and the date of the
textbook, which was likely a hand-me-down from his mother. Who
knows what her knowledge of, or relationship to LV might have been?
The word "die" referring to the seventh month is, of course, not
literal...just meaning at the end of the month. What if the
second "born" is also not literal. That is, the one with the power
to vanquish LV became that way at the end of July/was reborn at the
end of July as someone who could/would want to defeat LV. In this
case, it could have been at same time as the birth of Harry, when
Snape realized that LV was now going to target the Potters and he
realized that he had made a horrible mistake in telling LV about the
Prophecy, and apparently changed sides.
And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal.
I had serious problems with this line after reading Order of the
Phoenix when it was published. Certainly, LV did unintentionally
mark Harry and left Harry with some of his abilities and a link to
him (though Harry's abilities, other than his caring and ability to
love never seems equal to Voldemort's -- Snape is right about Harry
having some luck and talented friends, but I think relying on and
trusting his friends is one of his strengths. However, this line
(the "as his equal" part) seemed to me that LV was acually
acknowledging this person as his equal, something which I cannot see
LV doing as he thinks himself superior to everyone else. The Death
Eaters are "marked" by Voldemort, but are NOT equals -- they
are "servants of the Dark Lord". Who would be most likely to be
marked as an equal by LV? Someone who had killed the only one he
ever feared.
But he will have a power the Dark Lord knows not.
Well, if this prophecy applied to Snape, as I've suggested above,
who knows what this power would be? Even if Snape does come out on
the side of good, he has been mean consistently mean to many of his
students, sneering, giving insults, etc and does not seem to have
the power of love. I kind of want this prophecy to apply to Harry
as I like the idea that love will overcome Voldemort.
And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live
while the other survives.
Well, Harry and LV and Snape and LV have been living/surviving at
the same time for a while now. I know it is a long shot, but could
this refer to an internal conflict?..The one who the Dark Lord has
marked as his equal cannot coexist within the same person as the one
having the power the Dark Lord knows not? At first I thought
perhaps this perhaps referred to the part of LV that exists in Harry
(though I'm still not sure if Harry himself is a horcrux, I think,
probably, his scar is and that he will think he has to sacrifice
himself to kill LV when he realizes this). Certainly it must be
difficult and conflicting to be a double agent and play both sides.
...and the last line is simply a repetition.
Also, to comment on recent posts about the possibility that it was
perhaps Slughorn who went to the cave polyjuiced as DD, as he
said "Oho!": I don't think so...Filch also says "Oho!" in the book
and both Slughorn and Filch are present after DD's death (plus Filch
is a Squib and it couldn't have been him). I think that Oho! is
just a common expression of surprise and think it really was
Dumbledore in the cave.
Your thoughts?
Cheryl
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