Clues Convergent Redux -- Snape is a nice wizard because .....

[tinglinger]

No: HPFGUIDX 134895

tinglinger
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original post Clues Convergent at 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/134809

tinglinger (exerpt)
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Here's what might have happened at Godrics Hollow
6. Snape loves Lily, who was the only person ever shown
to be decent enough to be concerned about him (with the
possible exception of his mother),

colebiancardi
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can SOMEONE please explain where, oh, where, in any of the HP books
that Snape "loves" Lily?

zgirnius
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Nowhere. We're all trying to read between the lines. Points in favor
of the theory that I have come up with, or have seen posted elsewhere:

< tinglinger snips SIX possible explanations  ... SIX .....
why my statement MAY nake sense with NO corresponding argument
or reason why it doesn't>

So it's in the realm of theory and speculation, for sure, but there
is some evidence on which to build this house of cards...

tinglinger (to zgirnius)
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"house of cards"? after six plausible reasons? I am not saying that
this has to be so, just that it can't be dismissed.......
<snipped some of my own nastiness to this ..... trying to be civil>


colebiancardi (to zgirnius )
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thanks for posting that - but I am not a shipper of this theory (nor
am I a shipper at all, for that matter)
See - I don't like the Lily theory or any 'love' theory, for that
matter, when it comes to Snape. I think he had a moment of
conscience and that is why he turned back to DD - it makes Snape a
bit more noble to do it on his own, not because of any unrequited
love. Now if you want to say that Snape loved Lily like a sister or
something like that, like how Harry loves Hermoine in a non-romantic
way, I can buy that. but romantic love? nope. Unless Rowling
drops a bomb in book 7, I doubt she will make this ship. She HATES
Snape and obviously loves Lily - it doesn't make sense. But I have
been known to be wrong.


tinglinger
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So - I guess my main offense is that I offended a non-shipper -
o.k., being a delusional former HH shipper I can live with that,
{particularly in my delusional livin' la vida loca world}.
So.... how does the Lily theory therefore collapse like a 
house of cards? Some canon to show it does, please.....


To clarify slightly my intent 

"love" just might have been too strong a word ---
"ship" as in "friendship" would have been better perhaps ---
"respectful potion competitors" yet better still ...
That said, I would love (sorry for that word - 
my apologies to those sensitive souls among you...)
to have a BETTER explanation as to the events
that occurred at GH.

Who could have been there besides Snape that makes
more sense? If no one was there, why did JKR clam 
up the moment the question was asked during the interview
last week? 
And as I had posted once before without having an answer
that disproved what I said -

if NOONE ELSE but Harry, Lily, James, and Voldemort were
there, who told the story of the Boy Who Lived to the whole
wizarding world that night ?????? 

I'm all ears.....  {bigger than Dobby's even ....}
I don't mind anyone shooting down my theories by canon or
whatever, just come up with better ones ........


Now that I am on a roll ......
["Let it out Harry! Don't let it stay bottled up 
inside there!"  - Gred and Forge to Harry in
Grimauld Place after he screamed at Ron and Hermione
so loudly it could be heard three floors below...]

After reading a couple of thousand posts
(yes, that many, since I have read virtually all
the posts in HPFGU since right before OOP came out)
saying how WONDERFUL  Snape really is -

how truly misunderstood he is -

how pure of heart he is  -

how he would NEVER hurt a non-airborne fly!  ----

despite all evidence in the books to the contrary

despite the duplicity 

despite his aiding and abetting a more competent
and lethal squad of death eaters entering Hogwarts -
especially that loveable ol'Fennir Greyback who would
like nothing more than to crunch and munch as many
students as he possibly could..... {why, i'm just FEELIN'
the luv for poor old misunderstood Sevvy for THAT ...} 

despite AKing Dumbledore (for whatever reason - and
please don't talk about assisted suicide without a
foot of parchment of proof for that theory indicating
how the wizarding community is best served with DD gone)

despite his willingness to have the dementors suck
out the souls of Lupin and Sirius without listening
to their pleas

despite never showing the slightest inkling to act
with fairness or patience for anyone but DD or
Slytherin House Students ....

I now hereby challenge anyone and everyone
who is under the delusion
(hey, if Harry/Hermione shippers can take it, then
surely the kinder and gentler Snape defenders can)
that Snape is indeed misunderstood

to write a canon based summary that demonstrates
just how dear ol' Severus is NOT the evil betraying
snivelly turd that he has demonstrated himself to be
by each and every one of his actions since the
series started. 
 
This summary must NOT contain any references or
statements attesting that  --- 

he really "loved" Lily or regretted killing her,

he admitted that his hatred for James and Sirius was
merely an "act", his threats to have Lupin as well as
Sirius be tossed to the dementors justified,

his flagrant mistreatment and abuse of any non
Slytherin student is anything but despicable..........


or ...............

In the paraphrased words of colebiancardi ---
Can SOMEONE please explain where, oh, where, in any 
of the HP books does it say that Snape is anything but
an evil scumbag?   (thanks for the word, Harry!)

I want to see a proper "house of cards" in Snape's defense -
it will make my wait for Book 7 most interesting and
enjoyable tearing it all down .........  

And if I am wrong ..... well, I'll just have to invite
old Snivelly and his defenders over for tea and crumpets
at Harry and Hermione's future bungalow in the newly
renovated Godric's Hollow after they graduate Hogwarts,
get married, and live happily ever after with 12 children
and Crookshanks.


Go for it!
{throws gauntlet and hits himself in the kneecap}

(Hot DAMN! I had fun writing this!!!! lol)


tinglinger 
with a website called potterplots full of theories, some
valid, many delusional, but few that have been totally
disproven for better ones........ 
and who is feeling like a pissed-off Peeves more each day
after listening to the Snape apologists all the time.
There's got to  be some better threads to cling to, some
more interesting  theories to explore.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/potterplots