[HPforGrownups] LV and Snape - Ubreakable Vow and others

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 135176

B.G. wrote:
> Perhaps LV and Snape made an UV that LV would not kill Lilly.  Why? 
> Maybe to reward Snape for a job well done (prophecy).  LV had no use
> for Lily and didn't care if she lived or died so no skin off his
> nose.  BUT in anger when she wouldn't move from Harry he killed her
> and as the AK bounded off of Harry and the broken UV did its magic -
> LV's body was destroyed (skin from his nose and all).
> Whatcha think?
> -BG-

Kathy writes:
     I have a hard time believing that Voldemort would have anything to 
do with an unbreakable vow with one of his "servants". That would be 
like Malfoy taking a vow with one of his house-elves. I could see 
Voldemort offering her to Snape as a reward for his information.
KJ

   colebiancardi
> I think that DD messed up when he got the ring - he wasn't aware,
> perhaps, of the power of a horcrux.   after all, Harry destroyed the
> Diary and he didn't get hurt from that.  Unless, of course, Harry is
> the only one that CAN destroy horcruxes.   Remember that DD stated if
> it wasn't for his skill & Snape's "timely action", he would be a dead
> man. 
> 
> colebiancardi

Kathy writes:
      In the book we are told that there was a plan for Malfoy to take 
the book to the school, so any wards, or protective curses would have 
been removed from it. Malfoy screwed up when he used the diary, prior to 
receiving permission, for his own ends. He was not aware that it was a 
horcrux. That is likely why Harry was not injured when he destroyed it. 
The other horcruxes are going to have some powerful enchantments 
protecting them. I think that the protective spells are the problem not 
the destruction of the horcrux.
KJ

   Karen
> I think that he is desperate for Snape to carry out the coup de
> grace so as to spare Harry.  Harry poured the poison down
> Dumbledore's throat.  If he had to live the rest of his life in the
> knowledge that he killed Dumbledore, however much it was following
> Dumbledore's orders or for the greater good, it would break Harry. 
> This way he has no certainly that his actions would have killed
> Dumbledore.  As far as he is concerned Snape did it.
   Karen

Kathy writes:
    I think that this is a very valid point. Dumbledor had several very 
strong reasons for having Snape do the job. I believe that he knew he 
was dying and did not want his death wasted, he wanted Harry protected 
from the belief or accusations that he was responsible for DD's death, I 
think, to a lesser degree, that he would prefer that Draco not be the 
murderer, and he wanted Snape to be in a position of strength with 
Voldemort because of it. I really don't get the impression throughout 
the books that Dumbledore gave a tinker's damn about the Slyth students. 
I think that is one of the huge mistakes he admits to making.
KJ

   Alla
Just as  previous poster, I am not quite sure why the idea that
Dumbledore can be wrong again seems surprising.
  Alla

Kathy writes:
     A lot of the wrong moves Dumbledore is accused of have to do with 
the various teachers hired for the DADA job. I think Dumbledore makes 
use of this position to find out who is applying for it and it tells him 
something. Dumbledore knew that V was coming back, and I think suspected 
all of the teachers in that position. Quirrel was watched pretty closely 
by Snape. Lockheart seemed to be brought in merely to show dueling in 
CoS and to demonstrate to Harry et al that they could handle an adult 
wizard. Lupin was brought in, I believe, when Sirius escaped, partly to 
draw Sirius, partly so they could keep an eye on him as there was still 
an outstanding spy to be captured, and Moody was used to demonstrate 
that a really effective teacher, and all round great guy can still be 
the evil one. That was very effective. I loved Moody. I couldn't believe 
the reversal on that one and there seemed to be no forewarning of it in 
the book. Snape was finally given the job because it was no longer an 
issue that he remain at Hogwarts. Snape was being sacrificed for the 
good of the cause and he had a job to do.
KJ