Snape's Other Victims

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 135674

4. Sirius.
In HBP, Snape tells Bella that his information "certainly helped
dispose of Sirius Black, although I give you full credit for
finishing him off." (p 30) So at a minimum, Snape claims to have
passed info that contributed to Sirius' death. 
<snip good theory of Snape's possible actions>

Valky Now:
Your theory is quite good IMO, Janeway, but I can't see actual
information being passed by Snape to Voldemort within it. 

So to add an aspect that would IMHO justify the claim that Snape gave
useful informtion to LV in OOtP, heres my take:

LV's objective was to get Harry to go to the MOM and take down the
prophecy. Useful information in achieving that objective - that is in
regard to Sirius Black (Though it may not necessarily have to be)
couldn't be the information that Kreacher gave to the Malfoy's, Snape
couldn't take credit for that, however, Snape could quite easily
inform LV that Sirius was itching to leave HeadQuarters, going
slightly stir crazy all alone in his hideout, a reckless fool who was
ever likely to come out of hiding any minute, making him an easy
target. The good thing about this information is that it made it
perfectly obvious, once Kreacher had divulged how close Harry was to
Sirius, that /no/ effort was required to convince HP that Sirius had
been captured, tortured and about to die. A baboon brandishing a stick
could put the idea in Harry's head that Sirius went out and got
himself caught by Voldemort. 

phoenixgod2000 (On Eavesdropper!Snape):
I've been thinking about this while I reread select parts of HBP and I
have to say that this is the one part of the book where I think DD
lets me down. I find it absolutely amazing (and infuriating) that DD
who has always insisted on Harry giving Snape respect when he knows
that Snape is the person who set in motion the events that left Harry
an orphan. It seems to that is a slap in the face towards Harry and
his loss. And when Harry comes to him in righteous anger he completely
dismisses Harry's feelings.

I don't think it matters which side Snape comes down on in the end. I
won't be able to see him as anything other than evil. The way this man
treats the two students he managed to help orphan tells me he can't be
anything else.


Valky:
You're right phoenixgod. It's hardly fair that anyone should claim the
right to ask respect for Snape of Harry. It is a big let down from DD,
in that very way. Although Dumbledore perhaps kept the information
from Harry because he believed that in time it would hurt less, which
was clearly a mistake, or he was maybe trying to persuade Snape to
someday come to his senses and offer Harry the chance to forgive him
personally. In that case Snape would clearly be a childish prat to
avoid it for so long. And although DD possibly hoped that Harry would
mange to find a certain degree of respect for Snape otherwise, before
any of it happened. I just cannot disagree, that DD was very wrong to
press Harry to respect a man who had betrayed him so young and then
made him pay further. 


Alla:
Snape has SO much to beg Harry's forgiveness for, IMO.

Valky:
I have always agreed with you on this Alla. And I still do. After HBP
I am more inclined to believe that Snape *is* reflecting on his guilt,
and realising that he can't deny forever that he does actually think
rather highly of Harry. But I am not sure Snape won't take it all to
his grave leaving Harry with just the pieces of his shame and
repentance to put together himself compassionately. I think this is as
close to begging as we will ever get from Snape, but Harry is not
driven by vengeance or motivated by a desire for satisfaction, I think
Harry's ability to love will grant Snape his forgiveness, although in
many ways it will be more than he deserves.



Janeway: 
2. Barty Crouch Sr.
In GOF Snape prevents Harry from quickly informing DD that BC Sr. is
on the grounds, giving Fake!Moody an opportunity to kill Sr.

-Rebecca / HunterGreen:
Harry was *leaving* to go the wrong way when Snape *called him back*.
This isn't the whole quote, but Snape taunts Harry for about a minute
before Dumbledore appears from the stairs. Since Snape was just up
there, its an easy deduction that he knew Dumbledore was on his way
down behind him. He just was using the moment to give Harry a hard
time, rather than just telling him Dumbledore was coming down. After
all, Snape is Snape. And Harry, being Harry, assumes later that it
was Snape's fault he didn't get to Dumbledore in time.


Valky:
I was going to ask for those details Hunter. :D Thankyou.
I don't doubt that Snape and Barty Jr didn't like each other at all.
And I entirely doubt that Snape did anything at all to aid him. If he
did, I am sure Snape will have used it in his defense to Bella in
Spinners End anyway.

The death I am most interested in is Emmeline Vance. She was an older
witch among the group that collected Harry from the Dursleys in OOTP,
yes? She wore all green, IIRC. I wonder what infomation Snape passed
that lead to her death, if he did at all. It would seem that none of
the other deaths irrefutably confirm an ESE Snape. So the details of
this one is precisely what we need.

One small detail is given in Chapter one, saying that Emmeline's
murder happened "around the corner" from the Prime Ministers office. I
can't seem to find other details, can anyone else? And can I ask the
British members if around the corner from the PM's office is near
Downing Street, or somewhere entirely different?