Omniscient Dumbledore /Snape's guilt

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No: HPFGUIDX 135686


Magda:
> There is one thing that Snape and Dumbledore have in common that no
> one else in the Order or at Hogwarts can share in: they both know 
Tom
> Riddle/Voldemort intimately.  
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> This common knowledge is the basis of a lot of their private
> discussions over the years - especially the last five years - and 
in
> that sense we can describe Snape as Dumbledore's confidant.


Alla:

But that is the big question to me. Did they have a lot of those 
private discussions over the years, or we just assumed it, 
imagining  that Snape is DD right hand man?


Magda:
  Both men
> understand that in order to win the big war, they might have to 
lose
> a few battles along the way, endure casualties from their own side,
> whatever.  I can't see anyone else in the Order having the stomach 
to
> face these unpleasant realities squarely.


Alla:

But how does it prove that Snape is DD confidante, if no one in the 
Order can face those realities. ( I submit that we don't know that, 
but it is not really relevant).

For all we know, it could be that Dumbledore indeed faces all of it 
alone, delegating some tasks to other order members as necessary, 
but never confiding fully in any of them.

I am just not sure that Snape knows more than anybody else about DD 
ultimate plans. The Sirius' saving adventure is a good example , IMO.

I don't think that DD bothered informing Snape about what he did.





Magda:
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> I'm not sure that legilimacy can account for Snape's receiving some
> kind of message from Dumbledore to kill him on the tower; I do 
think
> that the two of them have been talking over the year about what to 
do
> to make sure that Voldemort is defeated.  One of the ways to do 
this
> would be for Snape to do something so incredibly evil that
> Voldemort's doubts would be wiped completely away.  Killing
> Dumbledore would be a sure-fire way to accomplish this.  So when
> Snape came up onto the tower, Dumbledore begged him to take the
> final, irrevocable step and kill him so that he could return to the
> DE's openly and with the Final Game Plan in mind.
> 
> And Snape - like a good confidant - did.
> 


Alla:

Could you clarify, please? Many Snape defenders are saying that 
Dumbledore was dying anyway ( either from the after effect of 
un/horcruxing (??) the ring or from drinking the   potion in  the 
cave, that is why Snape only did what was to come anyway.

I don't think I am buying DD asking Snape to do somemthing so evil 
that would hurt his soul even under those conditions ( Dumbledore 
dying soon anyway), but are you arguing that Dumbledore simply asked 
Snape  to kill him, even if he was not dying in order to sacrifice 
himself for some game plan?

If you are arguing it, could you explain to me  some details of such 
game plan? I understand  that this is all speculation, but I am 
primarily interested  in how WW would be better served with 
Dumbledore dead
> 
> 		
> Jim Ferrer:
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> As far as Snape's guilt is concerned, I'm in the minority with you,
> Sherry.  So far, he's betrayed three important members of the Good
> Side to their deaths and two more into madness, hid and assisted a
> nascent DE who darn near killed two Gryffindors,  and killed
> Dumbledore, all in the name of victory for the Good Guys. As I said
> once before, his defenders have to explain away every single thing
> Snape does. I'm just glad he's on our side. I suppose it could get
> even worse.


Alla:

Jim, thanks for saying that. I am in this minority too. :-)

JMO of course,

Alla