Snape/Regulus, post 135111

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 135778

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "hermionegallo"
<hermionegallo at y...> wrote:
> response to:
>
> > colebiancardi
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/135111
>
> hg:
>
> What's difficult about making this theory work, however, is that it
> would necessitate a) Snape knowing about the Horcruxes (if Regulus,
> poisoned, came to him), which it really seems he doesn't, or b) Snape
> valuing Regulus' life over his own (if his stomach was turned by the
> idea of killing Regulus, whether or not it was done, whether he or
> another DE did it), which is unlikely, whether he is ESE or not,
> knowing Snape. And I don't have any canon to prove it or disprove it.

colebiancardi: I posted this on another thread:135710, but I will
repost here, as it may answer your question:
colebiancardi:
I think that this was the opportunity that Snape needed - remember, DD
stated in GoF, in the trial scene, that Snape turned spy for them at
great personal risk. If Snape was the one who delivered Regulus to
DD, against Voldemort's orders that Snape kill Regulus - that is a
pretty big personal risk. Sirius stated in OotP that you didn't just
leave the Death Eaters - it was a life-long commiment or you were
dead. I do believe that Regulus is not the man he was before - he may
have mentioned some babbling story about souls and splitting them to
DD & Snape, but the true meaning of what Voldemort was planning to do
- create 7 horcruxes - was not revealed until HBP. DD already knows
about horcruxes, as Slughorn tells Riddle that it is a forbidden
knowledge - very Dark Arts. If Slughorn knows about them, I am sure
DD does as well. And Snape, being the dark arts guy, would know a
thing or two about them as well, I would think. But what Voldy was
really up to - not until now did DD know about it.
~end snip


And please note, that Dumbledore DID state in the trial scene that
Snape turned spy for them "at great personal risk". So, we do know
that Snape did value SOMETHING or SOMEONE greater than his own life.

>hg:
> If I seem to be shooting down your theory, forgive me. I liked it so
> much I was compelled to respond, even though you approach a theory in
> a reverse process from mine: your theory starts with motive and looks
> for the signs, and I nitpick at signs and try to discern what they
> might mean.

colebiancardi: thank you. How I got to this theory is very strange.
I had been reading the boards, about RAB and could it be Regulus, is
Snape really working for LV, why did DD trust Snape so much and what
was the "great personal risk" think all about? I was falling asleep
with these thoughts going round in my head. A statement popped out in
my head: Regulus and Snape were in the same house - Slytherin. At
that point, I got up and got the few passages that have been written
about Regulus and came up with the theory. Also, the "You cannot be
killed if you are already dead" line also haunted me.

>
> I would start with some hard evidence, such as the fact that Sirius
> couldn't have been alone in the cave, otherwise the real Horcrux
> would still be there. Who could he have been with? And as
> tantalizing as it is to think that Regulus is "underground," I think
> the Dumbledore/Kreacher scene makes it clear that he's dead.

There are also theories that Kreacher went with Regulus to the cave
and it was Kreacher who drank the potion. If it was Regulus who drank
the potion, then Kreacher would have done anything to save his master,
as Kreacher loves those pure-bloods. He only hated Sirius, from as
far as we can tell. And Dumbledore would have made the "fake
Regulus's death" spell, so that Kreacher and all were fooled. Why
else does DD sound so confident when he tells Draco that Draco can be
safe, hidden...You cannot be killed if you are already dead? Could it
be that DD has done this before, with great success, with Regulus?
For 16 years+, this man has been "dead". I think Regulus is in
Godric's Hollow and someone is his Secret Keeper. Who could that
someone be?

>
> Okay, here's a what-if: what if it was Snape who was with him, they
> left together, Snape turned him in, thereby securing a position close
> to Voldemort, and simultaneously Snape told Dumbledore about the
> Horcrux, thereby securing a position close to Dumbledore? If that
> were the case, what clues would lead us to that conclusion? I could
> imagine Snape suspecting or even knowing about one Horcrux. None of
> this is anything I can back up with textual evidence, so it makes me
> uncomfortable.

Since DD stated that LV does not know about that THEY know about the
horcruxes, I don't know. However, where does DD get his intel?
Snape. So, yes, Snape could be securing positions with both parties.
But who is he loyal to? Well, from that same thread, I posted:

the TW!Snape - Top Wizard - catagory. I would rather have Snape be a
character who is always looking out for himself and his own priorities
and once LV is defeated, try to step into the power void left behind,
as DD & LV are now gone. But I would rather Snape be a nasty bastard
who is still a loyal member of the OotP.

~end snip

If that is the case, Snape is neither *good* nor *evil*, just looking
out for himself and wanting to be the King of the Wizarding World,
once Harry defeats LV. In that case, Snape would be *good* for Harry,
because he would help Harry defeat LV. In addition, Snape would be
*evil* for Harry, because once LV is gone, how long do you think Snape
will allow Harry to live? In the TW!Snape, I have problems with that
theory, not because it is not a good one, but that it takes a
Slytherin one step beyond their ambitions - that they will risk their
necks for it. And I thought Slys were ambitionious up to a point.
Well, Riddle proved me wrong on that point. The question is, will
Snape?  and maybe the key to that answer is that Snape & Riddle are
half-blood Slytherins, not pure-blood.  Maybe that's the reason why.  

colebiancardi