AW: [HPforGrownups] Re: The late Harry Potter

[Danny]

No: HPFGUIDX 130334

Gerry:
> I like your point about the hero not being able to get back from
> where he started. This is very true, but I don't think it will be 
> as bleak for Harry. [...snipped Ender parts...] Harry is growing 
> up, is very much aware of the threat he is in, and actively wants 
> to stop this evil. One of the strenghts of Harry is that he has
> friends.  He is also not easy to manipulate. Politicians who want 
> to use him, will have a very difficult time, because the way Harry 
> is developing, a mature Harry will not let himself be used. As for 
> fame:  it is fickle, and people will forget. [...]

 
I agree with the coming back thing of the hero ...
I also agree that Harry will not be easy to use for any politician.
But I don't think that people in the WW will easily forgot the feat of stopping Voldemort. Dumbledore himself is (maybe not the hero he once was, defeating Grindelwald but) a revered and feared member of the WW. He is a member of the wizengamot, has several honours and has his portrait on chocolate frog cards.  With a feat so big and a long living communita like the WW is I think they will not forget this easily.  And so Harry will maybe not be manipulated by politicians but he will get very annoyed by their persitance to try again and again (p like the current MoM at least).
I agree that with his friend s it will be a lot easier for him, whatever happens.
 

>One of Frodo's problems is that from the beginning he was very much
>aware of the burden being his, and his alone. The others helped, but
>could not really share the burden. What kept Frode going was his
>vision of the Shire. But: he went away and found out that he had
>changed when he came back, and so had the Shire. You cannot go back 
>to the past. Harry is not going away, nor is he coming back. Harry 
>is growing up in the world where the fight is. He has no ideal world
>where he wants to come back to, to find he has outgrown it (like a 
>lot of soldiers have). Harry's fight is in the world, and as the 
>world changes, so does he. 


But Harry also says time and time again that it's his burden alone (or am I imagining things from FF?)  He wishes somebody else would've been the child-who-lived ...  His friends can help in a more emotional way than Frodos could though.
 

>In Harry's case, there is much more sharing, and much more common
>ground. Harry is not the only one to have suffered by the hands of 
>LV, he is not the only one on the death list. He only now knows 
>that he is instrumental in defeating LV, before that though he 
>was 'the boy who lived' he knew this was not because of anything he 
>himself did, so he did not perceive himself differently from 
>others. Plus that in most fights he has had, he never was alone. So 
>I think his emotional support network will give him opportunities 
>to cope Frode and Ender never had. 


I agree with all except the perceiving thing ... 
[...] you've still been here haven't you? You've still been together! Me I've been stuck at the Dursleys' for a month! And I've handeled more than you two've ever managed and Dumbledore knows it - 
Who saved the Philosopher's Stone? Who got rid of Riddle? Who saved both your skins from the Dementors? [...]
(OotP Bloombnury Ed p63) I agree that he is in a very emetional state at this moment.  But the point is, he knows he is different from others not by his own fault or choice but by 'fate'. (at this moment) 


>I can imagine him living somewhere more or less isolated, but I can
>easier imagine him to become a professional quidditch player an 
>have a couple of years of pure fun before he figures out what he 
>wants to do with the rest of his life. Though I cannot imagine him 
>becoming Minister of Magic, that sounds far too boring for someone 
>like him. 
 
He either lives somewhere isolated or becomes a professional quidditch player (I agree) before he returns to Hogwarts to 
teach DaDA or History of Magic (if they can get rid of the ghost, whats its name?)  Not because he likes bragging about himself (we know he likes to be relativly unnoticed) but because in this way he can tell children what happened and tell them why you don't want to become a Dark Lord, how easy it is to get from well meaning (I'm exaggerating here) to being a tyrant.
 
Danny (who wishes upon having an word version of all the books to find evidence faster ...)
 

 


 


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