How Sirius' death suits Dumbledore? Was: Re : Harry's Role in OotP (long)

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Eileen:
 
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> On balance, Sirius' death suits DD: He got Harry away from 
the 'danger' of being brought up by his nominated guardian by 
getting Hagrid to deliver him to Privet Drive and the Dursleys only 
to have him back on his hands after Peter Pettigrew returns to VM, 
and with increasing influence on Harry. Sirius vindicated and 
guardian of Harry is still very much a threat to DD's plans; Sirius 
loved and dead is a very important part of the process of turning 
Harry into a weapon for the Order against VM.  

Alla:

Could you please clarify something for me? Are you saying that 
Dumbledore KNEW in advance ( as in foreseeing the future or 
something like that) that Sirius would die and did not do anything 
to avoid him or you are simply saying that NOW when Dumbledore 
evaluates the situation after the fact , Sirius' death suits him?

Because if it is the first one, I want to raise my very old problem 
with such argument - I think this would make Dumbledore to be one of 
the most idiotic generals in the history of literature. :-)

Consider  very simple scenario - Harry LEARNS that Dumbledore  
somehow played a direct part in Sirius' death.

Don't you think that Harry would  refuse to fight  for Dumbledore 
cause  if he learns that?

Now, if you are arguing the second scenario , well it very well 
could be that Dumbledore decides  that Sirius' death suits him, but 
I am still not sure how, since even without Dumbledore's direct 
involvement Harry is pretty mad him at the end of OOP and I am 
thinking that Dumbledore would prefer the relationship between them 
to be diffrent than it is now ( judging by the covers I hope it 
would be better in HBP :-))

Eileen:
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> DD is, among other things, ensuring that when Harry focuses on 
Sirius' death (small picture) he will have the prophecy (big 
picture) context to place it in. Harry is currently blaming Snape 
for Sirus' death, but when if and when he recognises DD's 
involvement and does not understand the mitigating circumstances, it 
could lead to a dangerous breach between them - DD doesn't want to 
find himself up against the sharp end of his own Weapon!Harry 

Alla:

Right, so you made a pretty convincing argument as to why Dumbledore 
would NOT want Harry to be more mad at him and he sure would be IF 
Dumbledore indeed was complicit in Sirius' death.

I am honestly confused as to how Sirius' death suits Dumbledore 



Eileen:  
Just a few thoughts. I only finished reading the books in February, 
so I'm still trying to play catchup and may have missed a lot of key 
posts - if anyone can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate 
it!


Alla:

Welcome! I did like your post, but if you could provide more 
clarification, I would be very grateful.


Betsy Hp:
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Again, I agree with the Prophecy being bait in a trap, just like the 
Stone in PS/SS.  However I do disagree with the thought of 
Dumbledore 
being so cold blooded.  Yes, the losses the Order endured were 
small; 
Sirius was their weakest member.  But I think Dumbledore highly 
regrets his loss.  Especially since he'd been so recently returned 
to 
them.  And though Sirius was a weak member of the Order, I don't 
think he was an actual liability.  Honestly, the amount of Order 
members seem small enough that I imagine Dumbledore has uses for 
every member he can find.


Alla:

Cough, cough... I agree with you, well sort of. I disagree with the 
part of "Sirius being the Order weakest member" for many reasons.  
Harry getting emotional support from him  being one( if not much in 
OOP, then definitely in GoF) and I am of firm opinion that emotional 
health of the most important person in this war does mean something.

I also think that Dumbledore could have made use of Sirius' 
unregistered animagus form, if he really put his mind to it.

Yeah, so what do I agree with you about? I agree that Dumbledore is 
not so cold blooded as to not care whether Sirius lives or dies, or 
at the very least I want to believe that.


Just my opinion,

Alla.