How Sirius' death suits Dumbledore? Was: Re : Harry's Role in OotP (long)

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> Alla wrote earlier:
 
<snip> your argument is that Sirius' death suits Dumbledore in 
essense because Harry will be a better person without Sirius and/or 
he will be simply safer with Sirius dead?
 
Magda:
 
> Yes to both.  Dumbledore wouldn't have WANTED Sirius to die; he
> doesn't want anyone to die.  But let's just say that I don't think
> he's blinded by grief.
 
Alla wrote earlier:
 
<Snip> I would like to comment that essentially what Sirius wanted 
for Harry ( despite allhis emotional unstability) in OOP, turned out 
to be the right thing for Harry after all.

Magda: 
So what?  I mean really, why does this matter?  There's a lot of
things Sirius wanted for Harry - including that Harry be a 
substitute "bestest mate" for himself.  Some things were good, some 
were bad. 


Alla:

It matters ( IMO only of course) because you are arguing that Harry 
is better off without Sirius and that is the only reason why 
Dumbledore is not "blinded by grief". You are arguing that Dumbledore 
has no selfish, manipulative, Puppetmaster!Dumbledore reasons to be 
glad that Sirius dead. He is only glad because Harry will be better 
person with Sirius dead ( I hope I am not misstating your argument).

So, if it is so, Dumbledore has no reason (IMO only) to be glad of 
Sirius' death IF Sirius indeed was a good father figure for Harry 
AND  I am arguing that even when he was depressed ( and I don't think 
it is that easy to stop being depressed when you are stuck in the 
house which you run away from as a teenager, even if you would much 
prefer to do so), he knew often what is the best for Harry, SO he was 
not a bad father figure for him and if he got a chance to get better 
psychologically , he would have been a great father figure for Harry, 
IMO only.

Now, if you were arguing that Sirius' death suits Dumbledore for 
selfish reasons, then indeed it would not have matter whether what 
Sirius wanted for Harry was good or bad for him.

That is how I see the situation anyway.


Alla wrote earlier:

One more thing , about Sirius coming up with brilliant plan, which 
cost Lily and James their lives. I am sure that was raised before 
but from what little I know about Lily so far, I don't consider her
to be stupid, rash or impulsive and she seemed to agree to that 
plan. Maybe  there were some merits to it after all.

Magda: 
What merits, precisely?  Twelve dead muggles might disagree with that
assessment.  Lily wouldn't be the first wife who'd gone along with
her husband's views.

Alla:

I am in agreement with what Nora wrote on this one, but I would like 
to add a brief comment. NO, I don't see Lily as going along with her 
husband's views, unless she was very much in agreement with them. 
After all, she showed unwillingness to go with James' views when
they 
were still in school. I doubt that she somehow lost that capacity 
later in her life.

Just my opinion,

Alla.