Dumbledore knows more than we give credit for

labmystc labmystc at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 14 16:27:31 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 130691

> Eileen wrote: 
>  
> I thought myself that if DD wanted to save Sirius, he'd have found 
>a more reliable way to do it than entrusting it to two kids with a 
>time turner - he had Sirius locked in the castle, after all - so I 
>don't think this was his objective. Which left me wondering what he 
>wanted to achieve. 
  
  I think DD knows this is the most reliable way because somehow he 
can see the future. 

> Since he had already seen that Buckbeak had vanished in a very 
>short space of time, he would have been aware that a time turner 
>might be in use by someone who was motivated to rescue Buckbeak. 

  We assume that DD in the past, when Harry and Hermione had returned 
through time to rescue BB and Sirius, was not aware of a time-turner 
being used until he saw that BB had disappeared. I disagree. I think 
he was aware:
     
     "The hippogriff began to walk, rustling its wings irritably. 
They were still ten feet away from the forest, in plain view of 
Hagrid's back door."
     "'One moment, please, Macnair,' came Dumbledore's voice. 'You 
need to sign too.' The footsteps stopped." PA, U.S. pb ed., p.401
     
  Macnair was close to walking out the back door of the cabin and see 
Harry struggling to move BB into the forest. Dumbledore had stopped 
Macnair from leaving at exactly the moment he would see Harry in the 
garden. Coincidence, maybe. But there is more:

     "Hagrid's back door had opened with a bang...'It was tied here!' 
said the executioner furiously. 'I saw it! Just here!'
     'How extraordinary,' said Dumbledore. There was a note of 
amusement in his voice."  PA, U.S. pb ed., p.402

  I think there's amusement because DD knew the whole time he was 
there that Harry and Hermione were out back preparing to take BB. He 
knew because he was aware that sometime later that night he was going 
to tell them to use the time turner and go back in time. I think 
either DD can see the future, or future DD told his past self that 
Harry and Hermione were coming and he would have to distract Macnair, 
Fudge, and the commitee member so Harry and Hermione would not be 
discovered. DD already knew BB would be rescued; after they 
discovered BB was gone, Dumbledore played it off and asked Hagrid if 
he could have some tea. Would something potentially tragic and 
devastating be dismissed so easily if DD didn't already know what was 
coming?

  Here's something else to prove DD may me a master manipulator. Up 
until going back through time, Harry could not produce a full-fledged 
Patronus. All he could summon was a silvery vapor or smoke, enough to 
repel dementors perhaps, but not enough to get rid of them 
completely. When Hermione comments on the fact that he produced one, 
Harry responds with "I knew I could do it this time, because I'd 
already done it. Does that make sense?" Did DD know that this would 
allow Harry to overcome this inability? Did DD already know that 
perhaps somewhere down the line, Harry would be attacked by two 
dementors in an alley in Little Whinging, and he would need this 
particular charm? My answer is yes.

  How about when Harry arrives for his trial in OoTP? DD shows up to 
save the day even though he wasn't informed the trial had been moved. 
When Fudge acts surprised at DD's arrival, DD states he lucky he 
arrived at the ministry three hours early. Did he already know in 
advance the trial had been moved? My answer is yes.

  There is a lot more going on with DD than we all can possibly 
imagine. It is my guess that he even knows the outcome of this war. 
I think he may even know which one will die, Harry, LV, or both. It 
will be intersting to see what is revealed about DD in the last two 
books. As I stated in my contest entry, I think that DD IS the HBP, 
and I am willing to bet that most of HBP will focus on DD, his past, 
and perhaps just a little bit more of his powers.

Chris 











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