The Order of the Phoenix/ was Re: Bloomsbury Screen Saver! SPOILER!

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 130788

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Gregory Lynn 
<Gregory.Lynn at g...> wrote:
> 
> The Order of the Phoenix fights Voldemort, but why call it the 
Order of the Phoenix?  Surely they are all willing to die in the 
fight, and Fawkes at least showed that he was willing to die in the 
fight at the Ministry.  And yet it seems there should be more than 
that because Phoenixes don't just die--they die and are reborn.
> 
> Perhaps the Phoenix referred to is not really a phoenix, but a 
person who has accepted the responsibility of being "the Phoenix."  
I'm probably not going to say this well but I envision a line of 
people extending back into the past, perhaps to Godric Gryffindor 
who each pass their accumulated experiences to a successor.  When 
one phoenix dies, he is "reborn" in his successor in the sense that 
the successor has inherited all the experiences of all the previous 
phoenixes.
> 
> The phoenix is dedicated to fighting those who practice the dark 
arts.  He accepts the pain and loneliness to help others (his tears 
have healing powers).  He accepts the insanely difficult chore of 
fighting evil (he can bear very heavy burdens).
> 

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Tonks:
I think that The Order of the Phoenix is called that because it 
represents the concept of eternal life and of the death and 
resurrection of Jesus.  In this way it is the symbol of the early 
Christian Church, with the original *Phoenix* being Jesus.  I see 
Fawkes as the Holy Spirit.  I do also think that DD has that 
*special* power that comes from being the leader of this group.  

When you think about it here we have LV who is about 67 years old 
and Harry who is 16.  One would think that LV should be defeated by 
some one of his generation, and that Harry would do battle with 
someone from his. But the story doesn't seem to be going that way, 
so we have to explore the transfer of power to the next generation 
of *keepers*.   I do think that DD will transfer that *power* to 
Harry for Harry to battle for his generation against the older power 
of evil. 

In a sense it is like the transfer of power that came down to the 
Disciples from Jesus.  This transfer of power occurred (and still 
occurs) in the Christian church and the same sort of thing may 
happen between DD and Harry.  Like the Pope who is the Vicar of 
Christ on Earth, DD may be the same sort of thing in the WW and will 
transfer the (as I have called it before) *power of the Phoenix* and 
the teaching of the phoenix to Harry. 

To be a member of the Order of the Phoenix is for each member to 
fight the power of darkness where ever it may be found, even in 
one's self.  And the leader is granted a special *power* which, as 
you say, comes down from generation to generation from the original 
source.

Tonks_op