Lupin is Ever So Evil, Part Two--Replies
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Thu Jun 16 17:34:00 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 130814
> Gerry
>
> Usually I stay out of this debate because I think -though
interesting to read- the theory of ESE!Lupin is completele
and utter nonsense and can only be upheld by twisting
canon and strange logic (sorry Pippin),
but this bit I made my fingers itch.
>
Pippin:
Canon-twisting? Strange logic? Jo is way ahead of us. She's the one
who wrote the twisty "c-can't t-tell you how p-pleased I am to
meet you" and perpetrated Dobby's logic-bending excuse for
saying that the CoS plot had nothing to do with He Who Must Not
Be Named. When fathoming the mysteries of the Potterverse, twists
and strange logic are your bestest friends.
Gerry:
> Why would LV use as codename for his spy the very name Peter used
for himself as part of the Marauders?
Pippin:
That's equally a problem if Peter is the only one using the name;
but LV calls Peter 'Wormtail' all through GoF. Presumably that
was the name used by the prisoners Sirius overheard
in Azkaban. Otherwise the Ministry would have known
that Peter Pettigrew had been involved.
It could have been an in-joke or a taunt, but I can't say which
without knowing who else knew about the Marauder nicknames.
Gerry:
> "The Dark Lord lies alone and friendless, abandoned by his
followers.
> His servant ha been chained these twelve years. Tonight, before
> midnight, the servant will break free and set out to rejoin his
> master. The Dark Lord will rise again with his servant's aid,
greater and more terrible than ever before.
(PoA, p.238 Bloomsbury hardcover
> edition)."
>
> And we know from GoF that Peter indeed rejoins LV, and is very, very
> usefull to him.
Pippin:
It's very, very, *very* significant, in light of that prophecy, that
we have no idea at all what Lupin was doing between Moody's
photograph and September 1, 1993. Twelve years, in fact. We
also know that he broke free of the chain binding him to Wormtail
and escaped before midnight in PoA.
I'll be dealing with this in more detail in later posts, but don't
you think it's odd that LV would trust Peter, whom he seems
to regard as extremely unreliable, to immerse him,
wandless, in a cauldron, where, as Harry notes, he could have
easily drowned? Tough luck if LV didn't have any gillyweed handy.
Gerry:
Also with Sirius in Azkaban, why would Peter have
> stayed a rat for all these years? Because of Lupin somewhere free?
> This would mean Peter is such a good friend and he fears Lupin so
much he rather has his friend Sirius rot in Azkaban than tell
somebody (for example DD) the truth...
Pippin:
If I am right, then Peter had no way of knowing that Sirius was
innocent -- for all he knew Sirius and Lupin had both turned.
And Peter was still an illegal animagus and the betrayer of
James and Lily's secret, under duress or no.
I think he believes, as Sirius told him, that he should have died
rather than betray them. Though he pleads for mercy, he does not
expect it...he is as dumfounded as Sirius and Lupin when Harry
saves him.
He also doesn't know which of the Death Eaters who've gone
free think he might really be responsible for the defeat of
their master.
> Gerry, who really wonders what Pippin will do as in the rest of the
> books there will be no ESE!Lupin.
Pippin:
Go back to working crosswords, I guess <g> But ESE!Lupin, which was
developed prior to OOP, not only held up beautifully through that book
but was enhanced with a much more plausible motive than the one I
had guessed, a clue that turned up as predicted (you can see the
Quidditchpitch from the DADA office) and a still more horrendous
crime (the murderof Sirius.) I'm far more confident now than I was
pre-OOP.
Pippin
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