Sirius as Father Figure /Depression/Paralles with Barty Jr.

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> Betsy Hp:
> Oh, I'm not and I haven't.  I hope I didn't come across as 
> presenting myself as an expert!  I do appreciate your insight.  It 
> makes the Depressed!Sirius a bit more palatable to me.
> 
> However, I still have problems linking Sirius' behavior to being 
> kept in the Black house alone.  For one thing it puts him in a 
> weaker (character-wise) position than Barty Crouch, Jr.  Barty, 
> though in Azkaban for less time than Sirius, was locked in a house 
> he hated for a longer time, and was still emotionally stable 
enough 
> to pull one over on Dumbledore right under his nose.
> 
> There are such obvious parallels between Sirius and Barty (and 
their 
> families), and I somehow think that JKR would have us see Sirius 
as 
> the stronger, more resiliant, of the two.  So I have a hard time 
> believing that she'd have *only* the atmosphere of the Black House 
> do Sirius in.


Alla:

I am confused now. Are you saying that if out of two people who 
underwent through similar tragic circumstances only one person had 
depression as result of those circumstances, that makes such person 
to be the person of weaker character than the other?

If this is indeed what you are saying, allow me to strongly disagree 
with such statement. Depression has NOTHING to do with one's 
strength of character, absolutely nothing. It is an illness, that is 
all. 

Right, so back to canon.  I don't see many parallels between  Barty 
Jr. and Sirius in a sense that Barty had just as many grounds to get 
depression as Sirius did.

Sure, Barty Sr. seems to be quite strong authority figure, but he 
also appears to be somebody who loved his son ( after all, he 
indeed  got his son out of Azkaban)

No, I don't have a high opinion of him, but I don't remember any 
canon evidence which shows that his son hated his home life as a 
child (he joined DE true, but do we know for sure why?), and we have 
strong evidence that Sirius in fact did, so he may have had  
depression as a teenager as Lynn speculated as result of his home 
life.

Oh, and even if I were to concede that there are strong parallels 
between Barty Sr. and Sirius, which I don't ( I see some, but not 
that many), I would indeed argue that JKR shows  us Sirius as MUCH 
more resilient out of two.

Sirius managed to get away from his family at sixteen, while Barty 
joined  Voldie and Co as young man.

So, if I were to judge who is more resilient , my answer would 
definitely be Sirius.  

Just my opinion,

Alla.