Snape as father figure, was Sirius as Father Figure (FIGHT SCENE QUESTIONS)

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> Alla wrote <snipped>:

> 
> I wasn't making a commentary on what Harry deserves; I was talking 
about
> what Harry's got. I don't disagree with you, but a "real" father 
figure is
> not what Harry has now, at least not rolled into one person.
> 

KarentheUnicorn reply: CANNON QUOTES BELOW if you haven't read OOTP 
or POA don't read my reply (hehe)

I don't think anyone would disagree on what Harry needs or what 
Harry should have, it sounds like everyone is just simply arguing 
what the term Father Figure means, I believe their are many 
different examples that can be used to show a father figure. I 
personally do believe JKR is using many different Adult males in 
Harry's life to represent the different aspects of a father. That is 
personally just how I myself have read it and I believe a lot of 
people see that in the story as well.

We could all obviously be very wrong, but it just plays out to us in 
that way.

I myself view Sirius as more of the Cool Uncle figure, that relation 
who has been a little wild, might have a shady past or a background 
that any teenage boy would think is cool.
I remember Harry bragging to Uncle Vernon(cannon Quote)
"Godfather?" sputtered Uncle Vernon. "You haven't got a godfather!"
"Yes, I have," said Harry brightly. "He was my mum and dad's best 
friend. He's a convicted murderer, but he's broken out of wizard 
prison and he's on the run. He likes to keep in touch with me 
though....keep up with my news....check if I'm happy..."

Now, to me that's classic teenager stuff! (laughs) I've got a really 
bit tough uncle and he's going to beat you up. The only reason I 
maybe don't see it as Father is because, Sirius up till that point 
and in the next book is not really around Harry a lot on a day by 
day basis.

Now, if we are using Snape as the other example for father figure, 
yes, I also do seem him as more of the authority father figure, that 
is the figure a lot of people see when they think of father. Now, I 
know people can use examples of their own life to twist this to 
their own point of view.

But generally when dad says No, don't ask questions, if you do, you 
get the LOOK. Now, some people attribute the look only to mothers, 
speaking from experience, a father has the LOOK, and all of you that 
had a dad like mine will know exactly what I'm talking about, if you 
don't then sorry, I can't explain it to you, read more Snape and you 
will understand where we are coming from when we say, Snape is a 
father figure to Harry.

I also have a somewhat curious though on something that happened in 
the OOTP and here is the cannon quote to example what I'm curious 
about.
Scene, Harry is just getting told he is to take Occlumency with 
Snape, Snape is leaving and Snape and Sirius get into their usually 
agressive behavior towards each other. Snape Snarks at Sirius, 
Sirius snarks back. Snape snarks again, and Sirius becomes quite 
agressive.
Sirius pushed his chair roughly aside and strode around the table 
towards Snape, pulling out his wand as he went; Snape whipped out 
his own. They were squaring up to each other, Sirius looking livid, 
Snape calculating, his eyes darting from Sirius's wand tip to his 
face.
"Sirius!" said Harry loudly, but Sirius appeared not to hear him.
"I've warned you, Snivellus," said Sirius, his face barely a foot 
from Snape's, "I don't care if Dumbledore thinks you've reformed, I 
know better--"
"Oh, but why don't you tell him so?" whispered Snape. "Or are you 
afraid he might not take the advice of a man who has been hiding 
inside his mother's house for six months very siriously?"
"Tell me, how is Lucius Malfoy these days? I expect he's delighted 
his lapdog's working at Hogwarts, isn't he?"
"Speaking of dogs," said Snape softly, "did you know that Lucius 
Malfoy recognized you last time you risked a little jaunt outside? 
Clever idea, Black, getting yourself seen on a safe station 
platform...gave you a cast-iron excuse not to leave your hidey-hole 
in future, didn't it?"
Sirius raised his wand.
"NO!" Harry yelled, valting over the table and trying to get in 
between them, "Sirius, don't--"
"Are you calling me a coward?" roared Sirius, trying to push Harry 
out of the way, but Harry would not budge.
"Why, yes, I suppose I am," said Snape.
"Harry--get---out--of--it!" snarled Sirius, pushing him out of the 
way with his free hand.
<CUT CUT CUT!!!>

Ok, lets see, where do I begin with these though and questions I 
have. Everyone says Harry is so much like his father, but, I see 
Lily all over this. Am I wrong?

I also am wondering, OK, Harry hates Snape right, we can pretty much 
announce that as a given. So, why get in the middle of two grown 
wizards fight? When we would assume Harry would be, kick ass Sirius!
OK, so maybe Harry is worried about Sirius getting hurt, but before 
this scene he notices that Sirius is rather taller than Snape, and 
right after that Harry notices Snape balling his fist over his wand, 
a sudden reaction to Sirius's approach, maybe even an action out of 
instinct. It is almost like Snape is the one more afraid than 
Sirius, and it seems to me Harry is noticing that right their.

Ok, we all talk about how mean Snape is to Harry, yet, Sirius is the 
one Snarling at Harry and physically pushing on him, Snape is just 
mouthing off. Sirius is the first to yank out his wand...why is he 
so childish to let Snape provoke him so much with just words?
A lot of what Snape says to Sirius is true. So Perhaps its just the 
way that Snape says it that offends us so much? Generally the old 
saying is the truth Hurts. Maybe Sirius just doesn't like the fact 
that its coming from Snape.
Imagine if Lupin had of been the one to say Sirius you were seen you 
Idiot, what were you thinking.

Sirius did screw up and he was not supposed be out in the open, he 
was seen by none other than Lucius Malfoy, we notice that Sirius is 
the one that calls Snape LapDog, he is also the one calling Snape 
names. Sirius is the one that asks are you calling me a coward, 
Snape simply says yes, I believe I am. I don't really see where 
Snape called Sirius any names at all. Sirius is the one being 
agressive throught the whole thing.

If Snape is a bad father figure, then I also see Sirius as a bad 
father figure, though I do understand he was trying to protect 
Harry, Sirius also is letting what happened between him and Snape at 
school be just as much of a problem as Snape is. If Snape is holding 
a grudge then Sirius is also doing the same bloody thing, he doesn't 
seem to be able to get past what happened between them either. Yet, 
its easier to forgive Sirius I suppose...

meh, they seem almost like the same character in some way. One coin, 
opposite sides, its still the same coin if you ask me, and its 
monitary value is still the same.....ok I'm getting really deep with 
that coin analogy...hehehe.

But, to get right down to it, It seems like Harry may have been 
trying to protect Sirius, but he seems to notice things about Snape 
that leads me to believe he was protecting Snape....go figure.

Karen