TBAY/Ring/Hagrid&MaraudrMap/Adults/GoodPlan?/Animagi/Devi'slSnare/Sirius/QWC

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

No: HPFGUIDX 130985

Neri TBAYed in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130839 :

<< Besides, JKR already told us that the Lestranges didn't know
about the prophecy. >> 

Excuse me, can you give me the URL or other citation for that?

Jim Potter seusilva quoted in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130527 :

<< a large golden ring bearing the Black crest >>

Usually a ring shows the shield of arms rather than the crest, but
most people CALL the shield of arms 'crest'. I like to imagine that
the Black shield of arms is either plain black or it's a black snake
on a black background. (The latter is absolutely against the laws of
heraldry, but since when do Dark wizards obey Muggle laws?)

John Kearns wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130557 :

<< the first thing that popped into my mind was Hagrid's hut. Remember
in PoA, Lupin describes how he was watching the Map and saw the trio
enter Hagrid's hut, and then when they left, they were "accompanied by
someone else (Wormtail)." The logical assumption is that the interior
of Hagrid's hut is a 'dead zone' where the map doesn't work, or Lupin
would have seen Pettigrew inside.

This also would explain why Wormtail was hiding in the hut in the
first place. He disappeared well after Harry learned who he was, and
he knew he was in danger of being discovered on the map - particularly
since, as Ron's pet, he would frequently have been very near Harry. So
he sought out a hiding place where he knew the map wouldn't show him.
He helped write it, after all.

Presumably the map doesn't show the inside of the hut because the
Marauders never went there themselves. Which makes sense - how many
students have actually been in there, especially in the days before
they had to hide from Blast-Ended Skrewts? >>

I snipped so poorly because I agree with everything I quoted except
I'm sure the Marauders were frequent guests in Hagrid's home (remember
how affectionately he chuckled in memory of James and Sirius's
trouble-making) and probably many students have been (consider the
many parents who wrote letters demanding that DD keep Hagrid on
despite Skeeter outing him as half-giant -- there is some indication
that they loved him from their own school days). I've always assumed
that the reason that the map didn't show the inside of Hagrid's hut
was that the Marauders were respecting his privacy.

Pippin wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130613 :

<< But Lupin was a grown man, >>

No, he wasn't. None of them were. Being of legal adult age is not the
same as being a grown man or woman. It appears that James and Lily
were 19 when they married, 20 when they became parents, and 21 when
they died. 18 - 19 used to be a terribly normal age to marry and 19 -
20 a terribly normal age to have one's first child, but all the 20 and
21 year olds that I've met since turning 25 (and I'm 47 now) are still
children themselves (even Chris and Michelle who married at 18 and had
Colleen when they were 19 and are pretty good parents), full of hope
and naivete znd ignorance and either nervousness or arrogance...

Gerry festuco wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130624 :

<< Actually it was a very good plan. The only problem was that the
person the three of them trusted, just like he was trusted by the
rest, including Dumbledore, was a traitor. If Peter had not been a
traitor nothing would have gone wrong with this plan. >>

Actually, I think it was a somewhat flawed plan in the first place.
altho' Very brave of Sirius. He meant to be decoy/bait for LV; the bad
guys who assumed he was the Secret Keeper would capture him and
torture him to give up the secret, but even if they killed/destroyed
him, he couldn't give them the Secret because he wasn't the Secret
Keeper. But it didn't occur to him that he *could* tell them that
Peter was the Secret Keeper *and* tell them where Peter was hiding.
And whatever combination of Cruciatis, Imperius, Legilimency and
Veritaserum they were using would override their impression that
choosing a vulnerable weakling like Peter as Secret Keeper was too
idiotic a thing for reasonably intelligent Potters to have done.

labmystic predicted in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130689 :

<< The trio will become animagi. Harry will be a stag, Hermione will
be a unicorn, and Ron a weasel (fits the name right?) >>

As Chancie wrote in post number 130972, according to JKR, Harry will
not become an Animagus:
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/1999/109
9-pressclubtransc.htm
<< Sean Bullard question19 {24.56}: We're going to take a few more
questions and um, the next one is: "Will Harry ever turn into a
*shape-changer* like his father?"
J.K. Rowling: No, Harry's not in training to be an animagus. If you
... unless you've read book 3, you won't know ... that's a wizard that
... it's very, very difficult to do. They, they ... learn to turn
themselves into animals. No, Harry is not ... Harry's energies are
going to be concentrated elsewhere and he's not going to have time to
do that. He's got quite a full agenda coming up, poor, poor boy. >>

Of course, I don't know how much we can trust her since she said in a
chat years ago that the Bones killed by LV were Susan Bones'
grandparents, and in OoP she wrote that they were her uncle and his
family.

A lot of people think that Harry's Animagus form would be a stag, but
I like to think it would be a raven -- black-headed, flies, clever.
Yes, James had those same characteristics and became a stag, but I
think that was because of arrogance and show-off-ness that Harry
lacks.

I don't know if it is possible for an Animagus's animal form to be a
magical beast, such as a unicorn or a phoenix.

Alla wrote about Sirius in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130711 :

<< As to alcoholism and drugs, well, not that I am seriously opposed
to them, but as you said yourself - there is really no canon to back
it up ( at least there is possible hint for drugs, but not for
alcoholism, IMO), therefore I cannot adopt it for now. >>

There is just as much a possible hint for alcoholism: one time Harry
notices an order of stale drink around Sirius. Altho' I think it was
supposed to represent self-medicating his depression rather than to
represent alcoholism.

There are old threads debating that Sirius could not have been very
drugged to recklessness and bad temper because Lupin and other people
who knew Sirius better than we do would have noticed that he was
acting out of character and tried to find out why. Alcoholism doesn't
have that objection: his old friends would see clearly what was
wrong.  

I don't know whether sitational alcohol abuse (attempting to self-
medicate situational depression) is considered to be alcoholism.

Karen the Unicorn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130934 :

<< I see Lily all over this. Am I wrong? >>

You are right. Also when Harry told Sirius and Lupin not to kill
Pettigrew but turn him over to the legal authorities.

<< Sirius is the first to yank out his wand...why is he so childish to
let Snape provoke him so much with just words? >>

First of all, Snape is very, very skilled at using words. He knows
just what to say to hurt Sirius the most painfully. Second, it's not
childishness, it's a cultural difference. Men being angered by mere
words to the point of killing and dying was good etiquette for
centuries, altho' usually in the form of a scheduled duel rather than
a spontaneous brawl. One example that leaps to my mind is Alexander
Hamilton and Aaron Burr. 

There are STILL cultures in this world where men being angered by mere
words to the point of killing and dying in spontaneous brawls is
considered properly masculine behavior.

Natti wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130812 :

<< Why is Ron allowed to take two of his friends to the World Cup and
none of his many siblings are allowed to take any -- especially
considering Hermione doesn't even particularly like Quidditch? >>

I have a theory that Arthur really only got ONE extra ticket and he
told the kids still at home to choose whom to invite and they all
agreed on Harry because he is the Gryffindor Seeker and it could be
good for his game and therefore for Gryffindor victories for him to
watch the best players compete. And I agree with Brent in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130866 that <<
Molly opted not to go and they had an extra ticket and that is how
Hermione got to go >> except while Brent << would think Ron and/or
Ginny lobbied for her to go >>, I think that Molly herself chose to
give her ticket to Hermione because she was trying to match-make.

But I must wave to Steve bboyminn's theory that it was Fudge the
politician wanting to be seen with The Boy Who Lived.