The good Slytherin / Salazar

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No: HPFGUIDX 131120

> >>Hickengruendler:
> <snip>
> >[Slytherin] has it's dark reputation, and if we believe 
Dumbledore 
> when he implied in CoS, that the students are sorted not only by 
> their ability, (although I do think this plays a part. The Sorting 
> Hat never offered Harry to go to Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw, for 
> example), but also by their choice, than we must see the Slytherin 
> students as those who do not care about it's bad reputation, or at 
> least not enough to reject the house, like Harry did.<
> <snip>

 
> Betsy Hp:
> Yes, but the so-called "bad reputation" has been fed to Harry from 
some rather suspect sources.  Hagrid tells Harry in PS/SS that all 
the wizards who've gone bad come from Slytherin. But we learn by 
the end of PS/SS that this is not true. 
<SNIP>
I think Ron also piles on Slytherin, but his family is as 
Gryffindor as Sirius' family was Slytherin.  He's been brought up to 
hate the house, so again I doubt the source.  (It's like asking a 
Cubs fan about the Yankees. Or a Cannon's fan about the Tornados if 
we want to be truly Harry Potter-centric. <g>)
> 
Looking at those who *don't* hold a grudge, Slytherin is not 
really treated as the house of all that's evil. <SNIP> 


Alla:

I am absolutely with Hickengruendler here. I don't think that 
Slytherins' bad reputation is purely in the eye of  the beholder. I 
also think that whoever will be the good Slytherin or Slytherins to 
emerge will reject the ideology of their house.

We HEAR Slytherins' ideology from Draco's mouth and  the gist of it 
is that "Muggleborns are inferiour to purebloods". That is an 
objective statement, which could be judged quite independently from 
Harry's POV.

Now, whether ALL Slytherins share such ideology is of course a 
totally different story and I definitely hope that this is not the 
case, since I do absolutely want to see good Slytherin or Slytherins.

And even though Slytherin is not treated as a house of evil, ( of 
course not - after all they won the cup for seven years. If 
Dumbledore REALLY had a grudge against whole Slytherin house, would 
he have allowed it?) the IDEOLOGY of this House definitely is, IMO.


Now, Ron, IMO does not just dislike the Slytherins. He dislikes the 
ideology of those who proclaims that Muggleborns witches and wizards 
are second class citizens. I do not agree that this is  the same as 
ask the fan of one team about the opposing one. I think this is 
quite an objective stance, for which I cheered twelve year old Ron .

Now,  I think he will absolutely learn that not ALL Slytherins are 
like Draco, or if you want  not all Slytherins think that 
Muggleborns are inferiour, but I hope that Ron won't change his 
stance on the ideology of Slytherin house.

Oh, and no Betsy I don't judge them as solely as House of Voldemort. 
I also judge them as house of Lestrange, house of Lucius Malfoy , 
house of that whole infamous Slytherin gang and yes, house of Draco 
Malfoy.

Now, do we need the counterpart to those guys in Slytherin? 
Absolutely, just with different ideological stance, IMO.


Just my opinion,

Alla.