Who do people think HBP Is?/ Hagrid a Halfling.

[Chys Lattes]

No: HPFGUIDX 131269


> > Chys:
> > <snip> isn't it more appropriate, if indeed the HBP was Hagrid, 
> > to call him and/or /the title of book 6/ 'The Halfling Prince', 
> > rather than half-blood, since he's not really half-blood that 
> > way, if he's more of a halfling?

JLV:
> My apologies, Chys. I seem to have a lot of opinions today. I do 
> see your point, but I can't actually recall JKR calling anything
> a halfling. I remember Umbridge ranting about 'half-breeds' and 
> similar, but that was clearly an impolite way of describing them 
> - as sub-human and not worthy of equal treatment or respect.


Chys:
Yes, that was the phrase that I was thinking of, thanks for 
reminding me! (How else do you describe it, though? I think it's 
all in how it's spoken, in terms of respect. To me halfling is 
milder, but that's JMO.) I don't know myself if the actual word halfling was used in the book but it's the same meaning in essence, and as you got my point, it's understood. Half-breed and halfling 
are the same concept here.


> JLV:
> But even if she has used the term, it still doesn't follow that 
> she would never describe what you call a 'halfling' as half-blood. 
> In fact, it seems to me that the term halfling actually misses out 
> the half-WIZARD part. Any half-blood definitely has one wizard 
> parent and one parent who is not seen as pure wizard (be they non 
> wizard or, like Lily, a muggle-born wizard). Analogously, a 
> halfling would be one who has one /human/ parent and one parent
> who is not seen as pure human. As far as I can see, the terms 
> needn't be mutually exclusive.

Chys:
I'm not ruling out that she could.

You understood me correctly, but I was thinking what difference 
would it make for Hagrid, being wizard or no, if the coupling is 
with another species? I assume his father was wizard because simply, 
Hagrid attended Hogwarts at one point. (I don't remember if it was 
mentioned specifically his father's wizarding background.) It's a 
wizarding school, not a school for giants. With all the rampant 
descrimination, I figured it would be taken into account. Even if 
by that definition he were half-blooded, it's different.

In the long run for any coupling, it may have been a pure blooded 
wizard or a muggle and someone of another species, makes no 
difference where the other species is concerned... (Unless JKR comes 
up with something like a coupling between a -muggle- and a giant 
wouldn't produce, then it's beside the point. We'd know for certain 
his father were wizard in that circumstance, pure-blooded or not, 
that's another question. Beside the point.)

I was just thinking wouldn't the majority of wizarding society see 
him as a halfling or half-breed, rather than half-blooded 
specifically? It's the greater identifier. That was what I was 
getting at.

> JLV:
> Furthermore, I know there is established fantasy vocabulary out 
> there, but from what I have seen, JKR doesn't really subscribe to 
> much of it: she makes things her own - makes up her own words and 
> definitions when things depart from reality. She can call 
> everything what she darn well likes.

Chys:
Yes, and neither do I know the established fantasy vocabulary, this 
was just something I used to attempt to describe the ancestry off 
the top of my head. (I play D&D on a very rare basis, so maybe 
that's where I got it from. *shrugs*) To me halfling is from two different species coupled to produced mixed offspring, JMO. Hagrid fits this description.


> JLV:
> In conclusion, I still have no idea who the HBP is. The only 
> people I can rule out are the pure-blood characters - like
> Neville, James or Sirius.
> 
> Still, it's all JMO anyway,


Chys:

Of course, same here. I just think it's a good argument against the 
HBP being Hagrid, where titles are concerned. Or someone whose part 
Veela, or part goblin for that matter, in the same category.


Chys