Emphasis on proper address was: Snape as father figure

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Phoenixgod says:
> Sara, how much respect would you honestly think you deserve from 
> your students if you acted like Snape does in the classroom?  Yes, a 
> student is obligated to respect a teacher, but by the same token a 
> teacher is obligated to be someone worthy of being respected.  Of 
> course that could be my wacky ethics and desire to be a good teacher 
> talking :) 

Princess Sara:
  You're assuming I don't act like Snape. ;o) Actually, I see your point here. I just think it's 
problematic for students to separate the teacher-in-office from the teacher-as-person in 
terms of respect. I can't remember which post it was but someone on the list mentioned 
that Harry knows little to nothing about the man himself. And I think we may have to wait 
to see the O.W.L. results before we can judge how effective his *ahem* abrasive teaching 
style is.

Phoenixgod again:
> I suppose that if your are judging respect by 
> acting in a bootlicking servile fashion, someone like Draco is your 
> model, but I would think less of Harry if he acted the same way.

Princess Sara again:
   Whoa now! I never said that Harry should be toadying up to Snape like some spoiled 
pure-blood Slytherin! I'm just saying that Snape's request to be called "sir" falls well within 
his rights as Harry's teacher and elder. Harry has no problem remembering to address 
Lupin as Professor, even though they are arguably in a much closer relationship than Harry 
and Snape are.  

Phoenixgod:
> And Harry uses an informal address to a third party when Snape isn't 
> around. I still want to know why Molly and DD get their knickers in 
> a twist over that. As far as I'm concerned, students can say 
> anything they want outside of the classroom. It's inside that 
> matters. And inside the classroom, aside from a few lapses in 
> judgement, Harry is respectful to Snape.

Princess Sara: 
  I agree with you on this one, though I can kinda see why DD would be annoyed. And I 
personally wouldn't want to hear what my students say about me, no matter how good a 
teacher I think I am. Regarding how respectful Harry is, I think it's a matter of how we read 
the scenes...

Phoenixgod:
> It depends on what you think good manners are. I happen to think 
> that Harry is demonstrating admirable restraint and good manners 
> when he deals with Snape. Better manners than Snape deals with Harry 
> in many cases. At fifteen, I would have been far less tolerant.

Princess Sara:
   You may have a higher tolerance than I do when it comes to student behavior when you 
say Harry is well-mannered to Snape. Harry interrupts Snape consistently throughout the 
first occlumency lesson, even when Snape is trying to explain things. He refuses the 
suggestions given to him and even yells at Snape. I personally think Snape showed greater 
respect for Harry, first in answering questions he was being badgered for and secondly, 
for keeping his temper while Harry could not keep his.

> phoenixgod2000, who is wondering if he could convince his students 
> to call him Mr. Phoenixgod. 'cause talk about ego stroking :)

Princess Sara:
  Heehee! I wonder if I could get away with "Your Highness." ;o) Anyway, all I'm saying is 
that Snape deserves respect from Harry because he is a teacher, an elder, and someone 
who is trying to help (despite what Harry may think).

- Princess Sara