: Moody -- "Types"--Where Are the Bleeding Hearts? by Elkins'

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Kemper now:
 
Moody
 my impression from GoF pensieve scenes is that he is a bit 
resentful ... the DE's and of Crouch letting 
people off that he knows without a doubt are guilty.  Moody is under 
the impression in the Pensieve that Crouch will let Karkaroff. ... 
He believes Karkaroff will be set free, so he's probably feeling a 
sense of futility with his work. ....
Moody is venting a bit to DD.  
 
Bleeding Heart Liberals
 I don't see any in the books.  I see
two, 
possibly three, Progressives:  Dumbledore and Arthur Weasley, 
possibly Lily.   Hermione is definitely Progressive leaning, but she 
needs a mentor.   
In GoF, SPEW has good intentions, but Hermione is placing her value 
system onto a different species and a different culture that is not 
ready to hear what an outsider has to say about their lifestyle.  In 
OoP, she attempts to trick the House Elves into freedom.  
This `trick' does not allow the House Elf to be in choice.  
The `trick' is unethical and therefore wrong.  

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Alla:

"Crouch is going to let him out," Moody breathed quietly to 
Dumbledore. "He's done a deal with him. Took me six months to track 
him down , and Crouch is going to let him  go if he's got enough few 
names . Let's hear his information, I say, and throw him straight 
back to the dementors" - GoF, p.388, paperback.

I agree with Elkins that member of law enforcement who advocates to 
go back on plea bargaining with a prisoner does not sound as very 
ethical ethical law enforcement member to me.

Nevertheless, I tend to agree that your explanation makes  A LOT of 
sense , especially in light of quite sympathetic Moody in OOP ( to 
me at least)

Moody is frustrated and upset, that is why he says it. Thank you!

"I'll say this for Moody, though , he never killed if he could help 
it. Always brought people in alive where possible. He was tough, but 
he never descended to the level of Death Eaters" - GoF, p.532.

"Never descended to the level of Death eaters" seems to me Real!
Moody in the nutshell.


I almost agree with your assesment of Hermione, but not quite. Sure, 
she is imposing her values on house - elves, but if it makes her not 
very ethical, I think her values do not become less liberal.

I looked up online dictionaries and two of the relevant definitions 
of the word "liberal"  are as follows:

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or 
authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. 

2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, 
and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. 

I guess you can argue that Hermione lacks "tolerance" in the sense 
that she does not tolerate house elves unwillinngness to be free.

Forgive me for a bit of rambling. I think I am still undecided as to 
whether I consider Hermione a liberal or not.


Just my opinion,

Alla