Couple of questions after CoS reread

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 4 04:09:33 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 125468


Alla wrote earlier:
 
Now, it is a fact that Dumbledore suspected Tom Riddle back in the 
days, right? Does it mean that he knew for sure that Riddle/Voldie 
is back in Hogwarts? 
  
If said conclusion is true, does it mean that Harry's struggle in 
CoS was also just a test or at least half-test ( I am of the firm 
opinion that Philosopher stone was a test and the only thing which 
Dumbledore has not anticipated was him leaving school)?
 
Did Dumbledore know for sure what was going to happen and the 
only thing he did not anticipate was Lucius making Board to suspend 
 him?
 
KathyK:
 
To rephrase Dumbledore, it's the question of 'how' LV was doing it 
that was important.  To me this says quite clearly that he believed 
from the start LV to be responsible for opening the Chamber.  I 
don't believe Dumbledore *knew* Riddle/LV returned to Hogwarts.  I 
think he had a lot of trouble figuring out this mystery. As he says 
after hearing what happened in the Chamber of Secrets:
> 
> *****
> "What interests *me* most," said Dumbledore gently, " is how Lord 
> Voldemort managed to enchant Ginny, when my sources tell me he is 
> currently in hiding in the forests of Albania."
> 
> --CoS, Ch 18, Dobby's Reward, US ed p 328
> *****
 
Obviously at this point Dumbledore had most of, and was about the 
get all the answers he's been seeking since the Chamber opened.  I 
don't believe he had any idea about the particulars until he heard 
them from Harry.  In other words, I don't think it was meant to be a 
test (in the way PS/SS seemed to be a test).  
<SNIP>

Alla:

I am a little bit bothered by "Albania" quote though. In  the one I 
cited he seems to be quite sure that the question is not "who", 
but "how". To me it seems to imply that Dumbledore knows exactly WHO 
opened the Chamber. Have you read that quote differently?

In this one Dumbledore seems to think that Voldemort is in Albania. 
So, does he know that Voldemort in Hogwarts or does he not?

I mean I am wondering just how MUCH Dumbledore knows. There is no 
question in my mind that he knows something, but how much?

KathyK:

He had reason to believe LV was in Albania.  Yet he knew Tom Riddle 
had previously opened the Chamber and seemed to have no doubt that 
he was doing so presently.  What were the possible explanations?  
Let's see...His sources were mistaken, LV knew how to be in two 
places at once, someone else had managed to find their way into the 
Chamber either on their own or with LV's assistance, or the, IMO, 
unlikely scenario where Dumbledore knew exactly what was going 
on.   


Alla:

I don't know, to me the explanation that Dumbledore knew that Riddle 
is back in Hogwarts seems likely enough, because Dumbledore does not 
question "who".

I am willing to believe that Dumbledore did not know about the 
Diary, since he seems suprised after Harry's story.

I think I will settle on the idea that Dumbledore knew that Riddle's 
memory or host or something somehow made it to Hogwarts, but had no 
idea what it was, unless somebody will unconvince me. :o)

I am also not sure  about whole ordeal being a test. Again, half 
test seems likely to me for now. Remember how persistent Dumbledore 
was when he was telling Harry and Ron that help will always be given 
in Hogwarts to those who ask for it. I'd say he waged on Fawkes and 
Sorting Hat to help Harry.

Now, Riddle is not the most reliable canon character, nevertheless 
he does say that Dumbledore sent them. I don't know...  


Just my opinion,

Alla









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