Percy and other Weasleys. Was: Weasley types.

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Joe in SoFla:
  
I don't think--and I may be a crowd of one on this--that the twins  
were particularly HORRIBLE to Percy. Yes, they teased him and yes, 
they made fun of him, but I don't know that what they did to him 
rose to the standard of an "attack."
 
 
Tayla:
 
I think that we can all agree that F&G are immature, even for their 
age, and that they don't see their jokes in the same light as many 
of their peers, but I have to agree with Joe on this, I don't think 
that their "attacks" were just that.
 
We do know that F&G took particular offence to the way that Percy 
was treating them all after getting his job at the MOM, so could it 
just be that they decided that by pranking him at the very place 
that he prides himself in would be fitting considering Percy seemed 
to be attacking his own family?  
 
Percy is exhibiting far too many symptoms that we have seen in our 
own history for me to be comfortable with him around.  I cannot 
remember the exact name they used for it, but we did see some 
very "Percyish" behavior in Nazi Germany with their own young.  Is 
it disturbing, absolutely.  But then again, and I am sorry, but 
Percy is disturbing.

Tayla (who still says that Percy is a status climbing drape ape)



Alla:

Joe, you are definitely NOT a croud of one on this one. I love twins 
and very comfortable with loving them. :)

Are they tough? Sure. Do they go beyond "siblings teasing" with 
Persy? Not to me, especially in light of the fact that EVERYBODY in 
Weasleys family has trouble dealing with Percy's personality. Again, 
I think Lupinlore was absolutely right,when he hypothecised that 
percy's personality is completely different from every other Weasley.

I'd say that Percy also should have try to do some adjusting , not 
just expect it from everybody else.

Personally I believe that the reason that Fred and George are so 
hard on Percy is because they feel that he does not share the values 
every other Weasley shares. Is that nice? NO, not at all, but I can 
understand their frustration.

And actually, I think that OOP proved it that Percy IS different 
from other Weasleys ( unless we will learn that he is a spy, which 
is quite possible, I concede).
If he is not a spy, I find him not visiting Arthur in the hospital 
AND writing that awful letter to Ron to be "immoral actions".

Tayla, prior to OOP I did NOT find Percy disturbing, different - 
YES, disturbing - NO. After OOP I still don't think that he is DE in 
making, but I also think that he is a very good example of "bad" 
ambition, or as you so eloquently out it "status climbing drape ape".

I speculate that Percy wants to achieve desirable social status and 
it does not matter to him  how many people he hurts in the process, 
even if those people are his family.

I do NOT believe that twins pushed him to it. I believe that Percy 
was always that way ( Remember the book "prefects who achieved 
power"?)

I don't think that Percy is a lost cause, not at all at least at 
that point, but I believe that he is the one who has to do major 
soul searching  if he wants to reconcile with his family, NOT the 
other way around.

Betsy:
Tayla, you'll need to cite some canon of Percy attacking his family 
when he first gets his job at the Ministry, because as far as I can 
remember, it didn't happen.  The twins are upset because Percy takes 
his job seriously, seems to be moving ahead, and requests some 
*gasp* quiet so that he can get some work done while at home.  The 
twins, apparently, hate the idea of Percy being happy.

Alla:

There was a wonderful post by Pippin in the past "Whether twins are 
bullies" discussion ( started by Elkins), which I unfortunately 
cannot find. She argued that Percy disturbs the comfort of his whole 
family for the stuff, which is pretty insignificant on the grand 
scale of things.

"Hi, Percy," said Harry.
"Oh, hello, Harry," said Percy. "I was wondering who was making all 
the noise. I am trying to work in here, you know - I've got a report 
to finish for the office - and it is rather diffcult to concentrate 
when people keep thundering up and down the stairs."
"We are not thundering," said Ron irritably. 'We're walking. Sorry, 
if we 've disturbed the top secret workings of the Ministry of 
magic."
"What are you working on?" said Harry.
"A report for the Department of International Magical Cooperation," 
said Percy smugly. "We'are trying to standardize cauldron thickness. 
Some of these foreign imports are just a shade too thin - leakages 
have been incrreasing at a  rate of almost three percent a year-"
"That'll change the world, that report will," said Ron. "front page 
of the Daily Prophet, I expect , cauldron leaks" - Gof, p.55-56, 
paperback.

Sure, you can argue that if this stuff is important for Percy, it 
should be important for everybody else in the family, but one of the 
reasons why I love Weasleys so much is because I get the feeling 
that they ARE concerned with changing the world for the better ( 
some family members more than other, but they definitely do, after 
all - ALL older Weasleys are in  the Order).

I think it is perfectly understandable that they are frustrated that 
Percy loves caudrons more than his family.

Oh, and I also think that he welcomed Harry to the Burrow in 
incredibly obnoxious way.

Betsy:
Ron has a lot more in common with Percy than he'd like to 
admit, and the twins know it.  If they hadn't been so caught up with 
Umbridge and their joke shop, I think Ron would have had a miserable 
fifth year.)


Alla:

I sincerely hope not. Ron is ambitious sure, just as Bill and 
Charley ( whom I also like, event though I don't think that they are 
well developed, just as twins ,whom I mainly consider cominc 
relief), but I am hoping that Ron's ambition will not lead him on 
Percy's road. And who knows, maybe twins' pranks saved Ron from 
walking down Percy's road. ( choosing his ambition over his family)


Just my opinion,

Alla