Lily's physical description, and a bit more apparently :-)
vmonte
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Sat Mar 12 16:36:08 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 125961
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kellymcj2000" <kelly at p...>
wrote:
Wow Vivian, I'd accuse you of legilimancy but for that eye contact
is necessary.:) I've also been expecting the Lily's eyes clue to
mean Harry will go back in time and be msitaken for James until
someone notices the eyes are wrong.
I never considered though that Lily may have stored memories in a
pensieve. That's very interesting. If she did, why? Would it be
something she did as a result of knowing the prophecy?
The idea of Snape making the connection is really intriguing. Not
only would he realize this person was not James, but he would also
know it was Lily and James' son because he himself knows Lily's eyes
so well. This last bit is assuming all the speculation about Snape
crushing on Lily is true. Maybe it's even Snape's memory in the
pensieve and Lily has nothing to do with it.
vmonte again:
You know, there are several things about "Snape's Worst Memory" that
stand out in my mind. (I've posted these comments before.)
The first one is that I'm not so sure that this memory belongs to
Snape.
Page 640, OOTP, U.S. edition:
"Harry looked around carefully, Snape had to be here somewhere...This
was "his" (in italics) memory...."
In PoA Harry also "assumes" that he was saved by his father--but it
was really Harry.
The next one is that Harry really takes a moment to look at his
father in the penseive memory. We are given this description:
Page 641
"Excitement exploded in the pit of his stomach: It was as though he
was looking at himself but with deliberate mistakes. James's eyes
were hazel, his nose was slightly longer than Harry's, and there was
no scar on his forehead, but they had the same thin face, same mouth,
same eyebrows. James's hair stuck up at the back exactly as Harry's
did, his hands could have been Harry's and Harry could tell that when
James stood up, they would be within an inch of each other's heights."
Interesting, isn't it? Now, someone that knows James intimately would
know that Harry was not James (Lily, Snape, the marauders,
Dumbledore), but your regular run of the mill DE, would not.
Notice how the other DEs mentioned in the HP series seem to be older
than Snape. Did JKR do this on purpose? Was it because only specific
people were meant to recognize Harry when he went back? (If Lucius
was in James's potions class he would also be able to recognize the
difference between Harry and James, but he was not--is this on
purpose?)
(I also cannot help to notice that in the PoA movie Lupin tells Harry
that he recognized him by his eyes. Does young Lupin bump into time-
traveling Harry? Lupin seems to know something about the past that he
is not letting on to, IMO.)
Here is the next one--
Page 642:
"Harry's stomach gave another pleasurable squirmwas Remus Lupin. He
looked rather pale and peaky (was the full moon approaching?) and was
absorbed in the exam
"
I mentioned last summer that I thought that the prank against Snape
happened that night, after the OWL examinations.
Page 643:
"Harry looked around and glimpsed Snape a short way away, moving
between the tables toward the doors into the entrance hall, still
absorbed in his own examination paper. Round-shouldered yet angular,
he walked in a twitchy manner that recalled a spider, his oily hair
swinging about his face."
..."Did you like question ten, Moony?" asked Sirius as they emerged
into the entrance hall.
"Loved it," said Lupin briskly. "Give five signs that identify the
werewolf. Excellent question."
We recently discussed (on this site) the idea that Snape, because of
question 10 in the exam, was beginning to put-two-and-two together
about Lupin. If the prank happened that night, did Snape already know
that Lupin was a werewolf? Was he planning on killing him?
And was this memory really Snape's? Or did it belong to Lily? Better
yet, is this memory Harry's? Was seventeen-year-old Harry there
watching the events first hand? Did he place this memory in the
penseive because he was trying to send sixteen-year-old Harry a
message? (He would know that he took a peak into the penseive in his
5th year.)
The last time I mentioned this theory someone posted a response that
perhaps Snape was saved by Harry during the prank, and not James, LOL!
Wouldn't it be a riot if Snape realized who Harry was when he spots
him as a first year at Hogwarts? He would also realize that he needs
to keep Harry alive at least until Harry manages to go back in time
to save his life. I will laugh if Snape follows Harry into the past
and is then killed by his younger self.
Dumbledore has also mentioned that the penseive helps you make
connections/deductions. Did the penseive fish out the memory it knew
Harry needed to see?
Vivian - Who does not think that Snape had a crush on Lily.
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