"other ways of destroying a man . . ."

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No: HPFGUIDX 126035


> bboyminn:
> Let me start at the end, regarding not killing Voldemort but killing
> the idea of Voldemort; I like this and it is so very true. Killing
> Voldemort, or someone like him, has a very high potential to make 
> that person a martyr and a 'larger-then-life' legend. In doing 
> that, you actually give MORE power to the person and the cause.
> 
> So, in summary, on this point, I very much agree that the wizard 
> world must defeat Voldemort's cause.

Kristen: 1st let me say that per usual I found your post to be 
interesting and got me thinking.  2nd, I agree Voldemort's cause must 
be defeated.  But I am not sure I agree that Voldemort's "death" 
would make him a martyr.   Voldemort claims that he is the most 
powerful wizard of all time.  If he is defeated/killed/stripped of 
power then his claim of being the most powerful wizard would "again" 
be shown to be false.  I say again because if you think of what 
happened after his 1st encounter with Harry when he was turned to 
vapor.  At that time the DEs at first did not believe that VD was 
gone, but fairly soon after most tried to distance themselves from 
his cause believing him to have been destroyed.  So I think if he is 
really defeated then he would lose credibility with almost all of his 
death eaters.  Now there might be a few who think he could again 
come back but even if there were a few like that I think even they 
would most likely fear whomever defeated Voldemort.  

> Now to the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort. <Snip> 
> I want to add another point to the mix. Dumbledore can't actually 
> kill Voldemort. When Voldemort got his body back, he referred to it 
> as his old body and his old strength, which I take to mean that he 
> is right back where he was the day before he was vaporized. He has 
> a degree of protection against death.
> 
> <Snip >
> The gist is that if Dumbledore tries to AK Voldemort, it's likely 
> he will either fail, or Voldemort will again be reduced to vapor.
> However, in being reduced to vapor again, Voldemort has a certain
> advantage. For one thing he has Death Eaters readily available to 
> help restore him using a tried and proven restoration process.

Kristen: I agree.  In fact I think if this were to become a cycle 
where he is AK'd into vapor and then brought back then I think 
Voldemorts followers and the WW in general would believe that he was 
invincible and his abilty to instill fear would be greater. 

> I also believe that Dumbledore is attempting to mentally disarm or
> undermine Voldemort by calling him Tom. In a sense, implying to
> Voldemort that he can try to make himself out as a god, but 
> Dumbledore knows him for the insecure boy that he is.

Kristen: Here I definitely agree.   Dumbledore is being really clever 
here.  Most of the WW will not speak his name and even the DEs wouldn't  
call VD by the name he gave himself.  Instead they refer to him as 
the Dark Lord which is more of a title like "Mr. President" than a 
name.  But here Dumbledore calls him by his true fist name.  This not 
only shows that Dumbledore is not scared of him, but reminds 
Voldemort that he cannot hide from his own past.  That he is not the 
pureblood he claims or tries to be.  I would think the effect of this 
is just as you said.

> <Snip >
> As to what some of these 'other ways of destroying a man' might be. 
> A few things occur to me. First, and most obvious, is the Dementor's
> Kiss. That certainly destroys a man without killing him.
> 
> Another might be the loss of magical powers. Can you imagine, all
> magical power force from Voldemort's body by Harry /special power/?
> Poor Voldemort, force to live out his days as the very thing he
> despises; a muggle.

Kristen: I think this would be a great punishment.  I love this idea 
much more the dementor's kiss.  Not only does it fullfill my desire 
to see VD suffer, it would destroy his power over the DEs.

> And speaking of fundamental truths that Voldemort doesn't 
> understand, I think Voldemort's greatest curse could end up being 
> the very thing he is most desperately seeking; immortality. What 
> would happen if Voldemort was able to create a body and mind that 
> could never die, but the experiment went horribly wrong, and while 
> he couldn't die, he would indeed age normally. Many decades down 
> the road, and into centuries beyond that, a frail helpless skeletal 
> Voldemort lives on long forgotten by everyone. Dooomed to that very 
> eternal life he so desperately sought. How's that for justice?

Kristen: This I also love.  Especially in combination with becoming a 
muggle or would it be a squib.  ???