Wizard Persecution (was: The Falling-Out of the Hogwarts Four)
dumbledore11214
dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 14 22:25:08 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 126052
Valky:
But JKR has pointed this out to be relatively laughable a situation
in Harrys History of Magic essay on Witch burning.<
Lindsay:
<snip>
How are children, or any witch or wizard of the time, who have not
been educated, able to know the Charm to keep them from burning at
the stake?<
<snip>
Alla:
I agree with Valky, because for now that is the only canon we
have...<
<snip>
Betsy:
Except that it's not. Actually, canon points overwhelmingly to
Wizard persecution being a very real threat.
<SNIP quotes which could be found upthread>
The first quote is from Professor Binns, the second from Newt
Scamander and the third from Kennilworthy Whisp. All three
gentlemen are presented by JKR as scholars; two of them are
historians outright. To dismiss their wording and the implications
of their statements would be, IMO, a mistake.
Of course we also know that wizards and witches are hard to kill,
and I'm sure it wasn't a complete bloodbath, but to dismiss their
persecution as a mere annoyance is to overlook history. And yes,
Harry's third year textbook suggests that is *was* a mere annoyance,
but history is often watered down for children, especially if it's
politically dangerous history. And in the current climate of the
WW, Muggle/Wizard relations are a political time bomb. It would be
very unwise to instill either an unhealthy fear or an unhealthy
hatred of Muggles into wizarding children. Better to whitewash the
history for now.
Since we have one source in canon being contradicted by three other
sources in canon, I think it's safe to say Harry's textbook is not
telling the full tale.
Alla:
Good quotes, Betsy, but I don't see how these three quotes contradict
the other one. To me the question is whether wizards and witches were
burned and I don't see the proof of it so far. Maybe they were
prosecuted by different methods other than burning, I don't know. I
just don't see the contradiction and I don't see the proof that this
book whitewashes the history. It just talks about real witches being
able to save themselves from fire. None of your quotes says that they
could not do that. :)
In fact, they just say that persecution occurred. I understand where
you are coming from, I just don't see the reason to dismiss the other
one that fast. In fact, maybe the fact that persecution IS mentioned
in well - known scholarly books and at children history lessons
points out to whitewashing of the history in the other direction.
Am I being clear? Professor Binns also teaches kids, so why is it
more reasonable to assume that he is not telling tales and the other
book does?
JMO,
Alla.
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