Ron and Quidditch & Head Boy/Girl

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 126188


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lupinlore" <bob.oliver at c...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Hannah" <hannahmarder at y...> 
> wrote:
> <SNIP> 
> > Hannah now:
> > 
> > Katie Bell is one year older than Harry, so will still be at 
> > Hogwarts - and presumably on the team - in HBP.  But I would say 
> > that Harry, not Ron, is the obvious choice for captain,...
> > 

> Lupinlore:
> 
> I agree that seems the most logical progression.  JKR has sent us 
> some curve balls, however.  ...
> 
> However, if I had to bet I would tend to agree with you.  I think it 
> more likely that Harry will become Captain than that Ron will.  The 
> main arguments against him being Captain are
> 
> A) that DD might feel it would be too stressful and;
> B) some feel that Seeker is not a good position for a Captain.
> 

> > Hannah(?):
> > 
> > ...edited... 
> > 
> > Although he's supported Quidditch for longer than Harry, he has
> > four years less playing experience on the team.  Harry has also 
> > already shown leadership skills, and many of those on the team are
> > DA  members,... Even if Ron was  captain, I think the others would
> > turn to Harry naturally, creating problems for Ron.

> Lupinlore: 
> 
> I think this is true.  Ron showed a capacity for hard work and 
> dedication, but he certainly has not demonstrated any great genius 
> for Quiddicth maneuvers or Quidditch strategy.  ...edited...
> 

bboyminn:

Way back when I made the original comment about Ron becoming Captain,
I qualified it with a very big /eventually/. 

I think we will start out with Harry as Captian, but I speculate that
Harry will find it a very frustrating job. Partly because Harry is
used to acting independantly, that's why he makes a good Seeker, but
only a so-so 'team player'. Also, I suspect JKR has many non-Quidditch
frustrations and distractions lined up for Harry. 

In an attempt to help out, Ron will jump in in an atttempt to pick up
the slack. This will lead to a conflict between Harry and Ron over who
is really in charge. Although, unvoiced, Harry will admit that Ron is
pretty good at it. Long story short, /eventually/ Harry will turn the
Captainship over to Ron who will do very well at it.

Remember Ron has a lifetime of following Quidditch, several older
brothers with whom he can practice, and discuss strategy and tactics.
Ron also has 'off field' experience in many positions. So, without a
doubt, Ron is very knowledgable in Quidditch.

Harry on the other hand, doesn't really know Quidditch that well. He
has only experienced it for a few years and only from his single
position as a very independant, not so team oriented, position of Seeker.

So, I think, without a doubt given his general popularity, and his
unquestionable skill as a Seeker, Harry will start out as Team
Captain, but /eventually/ that position will be turned over to Ron.




> > Hannah(?): 
> 
> > I very much doubt Ron will be captain or Head Boy.  But I agree
> > with  bboymin that he will have a successful school career.  ... 
> > he will discover there are other ways to do that without 
> > having  to be Head Boy, ...
> > 

> Lupinlore: 
> 
> At this point I think the whole head boy situation is entirely up in 
> the air.  I see the following candidates:
> 
> 1) Ron. ...
> 
> 2) Harry. ...
> 
> 3)  Draco. ...
> 
> 4)  Ernie MacMillan.  ...
> 
> 
> Lupinlore

bboyminn:

Let's look at the circumstances and state of affairs in book 6 and 7,
and decide who best fills the requirement, not in general, but of
those specific times and circumstance.

There is an extremely high likelihood that Hogwarts will be attacked.
Even if it is attack in book 6, the creates the strong implication
that it /could/ again be attacked in book 7, Harry's Headboy year. 

They are going to need a Headboy and Headgirl who are able to function
under pressure, who are good in a fight, and who are able to take
strong and immediate decisive action. It's entirely possible that many
student could fit those requirements, but only a very very few
students have demonstrated those skills, and of course, that would be
Harry, Ron, and Hermione. While Neville has grown much stronger, I
really don't see him becoming Headboy, although, it might be a nice twist.

These are not going to be normal times, so they are not going to use
normal standards in their choice. Because of this I predict Harry will
indeed be Head Boy. Also, remember that Head Boy and Head Girl while
related to Prefects, are more of an honor than a position. While the
job does come with some responsibilities, it seems to be an honor
bestowed upon the most oustanding boy and girl. The Junior Prefects
get stuck doing most of the work. Also, I don't see being Head Boy as
being that much of an burden for Harry. If fact, in my view, the
greatest burden is probably just the burden to behave yourself and set
a good example.

I really don't think Ron needs to be Head Boy, and personally I don't
think he should be Head Boy. When the time finally comes, Ron will
have discovered that he doesn't need to measure himself against his
brothers. He will discover that he is quite outstanding when measure
by his own achievements. His becoming Head Boy seems so pointlessly
obvious, but his realizing that his own achievement are his greatest
measure, does have a very nice point to it.

So, /eventually/ Ron will be Captain, and Harry most likely will be
Head Boy. 

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn