A trip beyond the veil?

[ginny343]

No: HPFGUIDX 126223


Fitzov <kayt.williams at b...> wrote in 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/126147 :

<snip>
> The Veil:
> Sirius knew exactly what the Veil was and meant. In his brief 
> career before imprisonment in Azkaban he was an Unspeakable 
> and was involved in a research project studying the passage of
> life to death. <snip>
> 
> Finding himself locked up in his parents' old house, Sirius 
> resorted to an in-depth study of their books on Dark Magic: 
> <snip>
> 
> In support of the theory that Sirius planned his own 'death' it 
> is notable that Sirius waits until Dumbledore has appeared before 
> staging the fight with Bellatrix (probably in order to ensure 
> that Harry is safe) and then 'allows' Bellatrix to hit him with 
> (probably) a stunning spell before tumbling though the veil.  <snip>
>
> Clearly I am in SAD DENIAL, but it seems so obvious to me that 
> Sirius' death is not clean cut.  There is no body, no reason for 
> Sirius to succumb to a wizard less powerful than himself, no reason
> for Sirius to goad Bellatrix into killing him, and no reason to wait
> until Dumbledore turns up to stage the final fight. And the veil 
> itself is so mysterious, with voices clearly emanating from beyond,
> that it cannot be a final divider between life and death.


   Okay, I have to say that this very same idea has crossed my 
mind.  The whole thing about Sirius researching and planning this 
during his long hours at Grimmauld and him intentionally going 
through the veil.  Especially given that Lupin knew what the veil 
was, so probably Sirius did too.  And as he is said to have been 
smart, it seems odd he would be fighting so close to it.

    However . . . several things have made me change my mind.  

    First of all, Sirius is reckless - even JKR has said so (I 
think).  We can only assume he got so caught up in the action 
(finally, he got to DO something) that he didn't realize he was so 
close to the veil.  Or, maybe he was so sure of himself that he 
didn't consider himself in any danger.  That would also be in 
character for him.

    The other main reason I have disgarded this idea, is that 
Sirius' "eyes widened in shock" and then "Harry saw the look of 
mingled fear and surprise on his godfather's . . . face" when he 
fell through the veil.  Shock, fear, and surprise are not the words 
I would use to describe Sirius' reaction to something that he had 
been planning for awhile.  

     Finally, I don't see how Sirius would have had any way of 
knowing that if a battle began in the MOM (only probable because the 
prophecy was there), that it would end up in the room with the veil. 
There seems to be quite a few rooms there.

     Anyway, I hope I haven't really cut you down.  I hope maybe 
people will come back and challenge what I have just said.  I rather 
like the theory and would like my ideas proven wrong.  This is only 
my second post, so I am new and quite behind on the past readings 
myself.  :)

Ginny343