Snape as DADA, new Potions teacher? (was Re: It's Libatius)

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No: HPFGUIDX 126253



> Alla wrote in 126230:
> 
> Welcome back. I think you are stretching  it a little bit with 
Snape 
> having a reason to hide Potter's true ability in potions. Hide from 
„« whom?
„«  
„«  Potioncat now:
„« Thanks, I've been lurking a bit.

To answer your question:
I don't know. But it seems, from McGonagall's conversation in
Career Advice, Harry is doing better than we might think. For that 
matter, I believe Snape expects Neville to pass. But I don't believe
Neville thinks that Snape thinks Neville will pass.

Throughout OoP Harry thinks Professor Snape has given him a zero. And 
we do have one case where Snape asks "No marks again?"  But
if Harry had all those zeroes, how could his course grade/marks be 
high enough for McGonagall to think he would do all right on the 
OWLs?  Trust me,it is very hard to pull a zero up to a passing grade! 
So either he wasn't getting zeroes at all, or his grades do not 
reflect his ability. Snape tells Harry that he is a lamentable potion 
maker. I'm not sure if that is true. I don't think he ever said 
anything about Harry's actual ability in front of others.  And I 
don't know what Snape's motivation is. The only person he ever 
praised was Draco in the first class, but it's Hermione who gets top 
marks. (Remember, I don't think Professor Snape is a good teacher.)



Catkind wrote in 12645 
> The problem is, if Harry really is an Outstanding student, then 
Snape
> will not only be landed with Harry at NEWT level, but he will also
> look rather silly after the comments he was making about Harry's 
work.
> Harry and his classmates would never take Snape's grades seriously
„« again. I don't think Snape would risk being put in this
position. 

Potioncat:
But, all his students will do better on OWLs than they did
in his class.  I'm going by his comment that he has a high pass rate 
on OWLs and Ubridge's comment that the 5th years were very advanced
according to Ministry standards.  
> 

Catkind:
Potions has always been
> one of his worse subjects, and we've certainly not seen him work
> particularly hard at it or take any interest. How can he suddenly be
„« Outstanding at it?  

Potioncat:
Again his performance won't improve (well, maybe a little) but
the standard will change. All the students will be marked according 
to the Ministry's Standard, not by Snape's Standard.  Also, we were
told (In SS/PS I think) that Harry and Ron both made good marks. He
doesn't do well in potions, but keep in mind, McGonagall thinks he 
can earn an "O" in Potions and an "E" in Transfiguration.  

> Catkind:
> I've seen nothing to indicate that Harry is better at Potions than 
at
> subjects like Transfig or Charms, or that he is nearly as good at
„« Potions as Hermione.  

Potioncat:
He may not need to be nearly as good as Hermione to get an O. There 
just isn't anything higher to give her. He just has to get a
certain percent correct to get an "O"¨ or an "E" and how he
compares to her isn't important. We've seen Harry compare himself to 
Ron in Potions. But we don¡¦t know how Ron did either. Hermione is 
the only one who seems to consistently get her potions to turn out 
properly, but I don't think she's the only one who passes.
> 
> 
> SSSusan wrote in 126246:
> 
> But what about the possibility of Snape's announcing on the first 
day 
> of NEWT-level Potions that the class includes... ahem [accompanied 
by 
> significant sneer in Potter's direction] *some* students who would 
> never have been included if the choice had been up to him... but 
that 
> the graders of the O.W.L. examinations unfortunately have lesser 
„« standards which, equally unfortunately, he must accept.

Potioncat:
I would almost predict this will happen in HBP!!!!  LOL!


> catkind:
> > Does anyone think he will get lots of O's and rival Hermione? Or 
„« > just in Defence and Potions?

Potioncat:

Well, I'm not really sure if he will get an O in Potions.
It's just that if he does, I won't feel it's out of character or out 
of the realm of maybe. What I really think is that he and Snape will 
continue to butt heads.

I have a question for those in the know about the tests that 
correspond to OWLs in the RW.  Would you expect to fail any? I know 
some students do fail tests, but in the WW it seems expected to
fail,or rather take some OWLs but not all of them. Wouldn't you 
really expect most students at Hogwarts to pass the OWLs based on RW 
experience? The way these tests have been presented, we should expect 
that Ron and Harry wouldn't even pass them all. But certainly 
McGonagall expects Harry to pass Potions, Transfigurations, DADA and 
Charms.

Potioncat who thinks maybe she's managed to post a reply to several 
posts at once and thanks everyone who helped her work it out.