In Defense of DD (was Re: DD's dilemma)

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Lupinlore: 
I really am curious what evidence you see, John, for Dumbledore 
having any remorse for Harry's suffering?  I'm not trying to be a 
smart-a**, I'm really curious.  I grant that he seems sorry for his 
mistakes of Harry's fifth year, but I see no evidence at all that he 
has any remorse for the pain his decisions have inflicted on Harry 
over the last fifteen years.  And absence evidence of such sorrow, 
and a much better explanation of his decisions, then I and others 
simply don't see him the way JKR wishes us to.


Alla:

Yes, I agree. I've also been thinking - what could have convinced me 
better that Dumbledore is sorry for doing what he did? NO, I don't 
think that JKR owes us such explanation or trying to improve the 
story :) or anything like that, I am just trying to suggest what 
could have sold me  on that idea.

I definitely DON'T need Dumbledore to become hysterical during his 
speech at the end of OOP. I agree it would have been a little wierd, 
BUT I do need a little bit more of emotion, just a  little bit - 
like for example when Harry looks at Dumbledore he could see , I 
don't know , shame in his eyes, or something like that.

Also as I said earlier - I DEFINITELY could go without 
Dumbledore "cutting accross" ,when Harry says that "she never loved 
me". I wanted Dumbledore to listen better and acknowledge that Harry 
has  every right to feel as he feels and dislike his time spent with 
Dursleys.

I also would like Dumbledore to SPELL IT OUT - something like - I 
would NEVER left you with Dursleys, if there was any chance that you 
could survive without it and I am very sorry for what you suffered 
at their hands, but unfortunately I had no other choice.

This is just not the issue, where I want to second guess the author 
and figure out what she was trying to say. I mean, it can be 
interesting quite often, but on this issue, I want JKR to be very 
clear and I just don't think that she is.

Unless of course Puppetmaster!Dumbledore is what she was trying to 
present, then to me she succeeded, but it does not look to me that 
this was her intent, and this is of course IMO only.


John:
Unless I'm much mistaken many of the readers identifying with 
Lupinlore find Harry's suffering very
real (sorry, can't really 
express that any better; hope you understand what I'm getting at). 
For me, the fact that Harry and his suffering are fictional events 
make it quite easy to, firstly, see DD's decisions from a logical 
standpoint and, secondly, to put forth a defense of his actions. 
In "real life" I daresay my stance would be a little different. 

Alla:

You meant that for us Harry's sufferings are realistically 
portrayed, right? Not that we can't distinguish between reality and 
fiction? :)

Many books I love I read on two or more different levels of 
perceptions - my feelings or emotions are definitely involved and of 
course my intellectual side is involved in it too.

The funny thing is that quite often  no matter how strongly I 
identify with  the character on the emotional level, I can analyse 
him on the inellectual level, no problem and see the different side 
of it.

But, even if I take  "the coldest", most intellectual approach to 
Dumbledore's speech  at the end of OOP, I am just not buying it, 
sorry. Dumbledore does not defend himself to me very logically, I am 
afraid.

I mean I can figure out what IS the possible defense, but I want it 
to be written better.


Just my opinion of course,

Alla.