Hans-Pineal

[cat_kind]

No: HPFGUIDX 126738


> Catlady: I don't understand what connection there is between
Dumbledore's
> office and Bill Weasley. I also don't understand why the chronological
> pattern was broken by putting Arthur & Molly (third eye chakra --
> isn't third eye the pineal gland?) between Charlie (throat) and Bill
> (crown).
> 
> Hans:
> If Bill is the crown chakra he must indeed be connected to the
pineal gland,
> because, of all the connections between the chakras and the physical
glands,
> the relationship between the pineal gland and the crown chakra is
the most
> intimate one of all.
> 

catkind:  I have to say I find the fact that you have two things
symbolising the pineal gland (and this isn't the only time you've had
two symbols for the same thing) an indication that maybe just maybe
you're getting a little carried away with your analogies Hans. Well, I
expect you've already gathered I think that:-) I'll happily eat my
words if a concrete connection between Bill Weasley and Dumbledore's
office turns up in the last two books. (Though I can't really imagine
how it would.  Bill Weasley for the new Headmaster?) Will you eat
yours if it doesn't?

Actually, a lot of traditions have the crown chakra associated to the
pituitary gland and the brow chakra to the pineal gland.
(There is a good explanation of this at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakras )
If you adopted that system you could have Molly and Arthur at the top
after all!

The rest of that end of the spectrum is easy to assign, as we know
very little about Charlie and Bill. There's no evidence it's a bad
analogy at least - I wouldn't say that makes it a good one. 

Unfortunately I find the rest of the assignations less believable.
Being a dedicated kind of lunatic, I've done a little research here
and collected as many different chakra traditions as I could find.

The first question is, why should the Weasleys be chakras at all? The
only reason I can see is that chakras are the only things in theology
that come in an ordered row.  

Hans has made a fairly convincing argument for fudging the numbers so
that at least we have the same number of Weasleys/chakras, though
there's some room for disagreement there - people who split the brow
chakra in two, for example, tend to split all the rest as well
(excepting base and crown). The gonads are more separate than the two
lobes of the pituitary gland, yet Ginny doesn't seem to be twins.

If the Weasleys *have* to symbolise something, chakras is an obvious
candidate, agreed. I'd prefer to go with the simpler hypothesis that
the Weasleys don't symbolise anything particular.  

Here's Hans' table again:

plexus - gland - chakra - Weasley

(brain) - pineal - crown - Bill
carotid - pituitary - brow - Arthur & Molly
cervical - thyroid - throat - Charlie
cardiac - thymus - heart - Percy
lumbar - adrenals - navel - Fred & George
solar - pancreas - spleen - Ron
sacral - gonads - root - Ginny.

catkind: I'm perplexed by the bottom three here. They're quite
differently shuffled from any other traditions I can find, so I don't
know whether to assign colours and ideas according to body part,
plexus or gland. In particular, biologically speaking, the solar
plexus and spleen are above  the navel and lumbar region. Why do you
have them below, Hans?

More normal would be 
3. solar plexus/pancreas/yellow - power, will, ...
2. sacral plexus/spleen,navel/gonads/orange - sexuality, food,...
1. base/adrenals/red - earth, security,...
though admittedly there are many variations.

Now to the assignation of Weasleys and chakras.  Thanks for organising
your argument here Hans, it was much more readable.

> Hans:
> 1. Ginny is obviously the root chakra connected to the sacral plexus
as this
> is where the events of the neutralising of the kundalini (the
basilisk) and
> the subconscious mind (Tom Riddle) take place. 

catkind: On the other hand, the base is the only chakra I've ever seen
associated with the colour maroon, Ron's colour. The usual colour of
red is not informative as all the Weasleys have "red" hair and belong
to Gryffindor.

The kundalini serpent is usually *below* the first chakra AFAIK, that
would certainly have to be associated to Ginny if it's female
sexuality. But to associate the first chakra to Ginny just on the
basis of proximity seems a big jump.

The first chakra itself is rarely about sexuality, it's usually about
security and home and ideas like that. Sounds more like Molly than Ginny. 

Evidence inconclusive.

Hans:
> 2. Ron is obviously the spleen chakra because of the clues of his middle
> name, his ownership of Scabbers, his love of food, etc. No doubt
here. (see
> my post on him)

catkind: I've no idea what this chakra is or its other associations,
it seems to be a mixture of various chakras in the literature.  

The second chakra is often orange, sexuality and food, which would be
okay for pretty much anyone.  Well, insofar as all the Weasleys except
Charlie have shown an interest in the opposite sex, and they all have
orange hair, and they all seem to have pretty healthy appetites as far
as we've seen. Maybe Ron gets an extra point for eating near Harry
more.   

Again, this is the only chakra I have associated to ambition in my
collection, though admittedly only once. So Percy also gets a nose in
here.

Hans:
> 3. Fred and George are obviously the navel chakra, and more
specially the
> twin adrenal glands. By the way, when we last see Fred and George in
part 5
> of the septology we see two red-headed boys wearing green coats. The
colour
> of their chakra is: red and green!

catkind: Hum.  But Gred's Weasley-jumper colour is blue with yellow
writing. They're a two-man rainbow! I don't think wearing green once
gives them a serious association with the colour. And I repeat,
everyone has red hair, so that proves nothing. Haven't we seen Ginny
in green too? Can't really remember. 

The power/control bit of this chakra sounds a bit like Percy.

Another question: What symbol do you actually mean with the green and
red petals? What are the corresponding symbols for the other chakras?
You don't seem to mention them. The chakras are usually given rainbow
colours in order so this one would be yellow. 

Hans:
> 4. Percy can't be anything else than the heart chakra because this
is where
> ambition lives. The legend of Parsifal and the quest of the Holy
Grail is
> the vital clue. In addition the thyroid gland plays a role in
bringing the
> new soul-fire (Harry) to the head, which is exactly what Percy did
in book 1
> when he brought Harry to his room high up in the tower.

catkind:  But...but...the heart chakra has to be about love and
emotion.  Percy is not emotional at all compared to his siblings.
Again, the association with ambition is new to me. (And thyroid was
Charlie in your earlier post, not Percy.)

If you want to associate Percy with the Holy Grail, that's kind of a
whole new question. 

Hans:
> 5. The pituitary gland can't be anyone but the Weasley couple,
because, as I
> said in my post, this gland is the master gland and directs all the
other
> ones. 

catkind:
Fair enough, IF the Weasleys are chakras, Arthur and Molly would fit
whichever one corresponds to the pituitary. As I say above, why not
make it the crown chakra to boot?

Or wait a mo, they could be the heart Chakra too, seeing as they are
an actual presumed-romantic couple, and obviously showering love on
the kids.  Or the sexual chakra, whichever that is, seeing as they are
clearly not backward in that area either.

Hans:
> this gland [ck: pituitary] is divided into two lobes, one of which
controls the heart (Molly) and the other the head (Arthur)

catkind: Note: these are the spiritual roles for the lobes, not
biological ones if I understand correctly. This is a good fit to Molly
and Arthur IMO - especially as it's the anterior lobe, Molly, which
(biologically) controls the other glands. She's definitely more
heart-oriented, though Arthur's not so much an intellectual as a geek
I'd say.

Also biologically, the pituitary is itself controlled by the
hypothalamus. Is that by any chance Dumbledore, Hans? 

Hans: 
> That obviously leaves Charlie as the throat chakra. I think his love of
> dragons is a clue but I don't know what it means. We'll probably
find out.

catkind:  Hey, the dragons could be the parathyroid glands! Or maybe
Charlie will have four kids.  He'll have to hurry to get them in by
the end of book seven though...

I think the twins get a look-in here too. Not only is this chakra blue
according to most lists, which is the twins' Weasley-jumper-colour,
but it also has a strong association with creativity, one of their
major talents.

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In conclusion I'm finding Weasleys and chakras far too intertwined to
get a clear set of analogues. 

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Hans (to Rita): it's great to know
someone is reading my posts with enough interest to ask questions (and not
just trying to knock them down).

catkind: Maybe I'm imagining it, but you sound a little indignant
there, Hans.  If you don't like being disagreed with, this is probably
not the place to present your theories. They argue about everything
down to the colour of Snape's socks here, and I for one find it loads
of fun :-)

catkind