Snape, Umbridge, and teaching.

[unicorn_72]

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phoenixgod2000 wrote:
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> I wanted to address a common point that people seem to bring up on 
> the Snape teaching post. People have been bringing up Umbridge's 
talk 
> about how advanced his classes are.  I would submit that this 
isn't 
> the best piece of evidence for Snape's teaching skills.
> 
>  Why is it that we should take her praise of Snape as gospel truth 
when practically everything else she does in the entire book is 
about hiding the truth?
Why should we believe her?
> 
> Another point I just thought about was perhaps she was buttering 
up 
> Snape for her future plans. 


KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

I don't know, I just have a hard time seeing it from this point of 
view.
Umbridge seemed to have been sent to Hogwarts to disrupt any 
learning there, every time someone showed some talent, she would 
sqash it. I believe that is why we would take her word as gospel 
truth, because, she seemed to be going after everyone, including 
Snape.

In the scene where Umbridge wants Snape to give her Veritaserum, she 
yells at him "You are on Probation!" now, in rereading it I am 
trying to get her meaning.
She does not say "I'm putting you on probation!",
she says "You are on Probation", as if it is already a fact.

So, perhaps some may read it as she just put him on probation, but 
it sounds to me like, he was already on probation, because of 
his 'advanced class'

phoenixgod2000 wrote:
She seemed to use the Slytherins excessively as the cornerstone of 
her inquisition squad.
It seems to me that the first step would be to get the head of their 
house ojn her side.

KarentheUnicorn's reply:

With the having to get the head of house to let the slytherin 
students join her Inquisition squad, I don't see why she would need 
permission from Snape. If she could overrun McGonagall, who was 
Headmistress of Hogwarts, and also a head of house, they why would 
she need Snapes permission to use his Slytherin house students? Plus 
once she (Umbridge) got rid of Dumbledore she was in fact, mistress 
of the school, so he(Snape) would have to bow down to her wishes. 
SO, to me, she did not need to butter his ego, or as if she might 
please use his students, she could do what she wanted.

It almost seemed to me Snape tried his best to stay under her radar, 
and out of the way, as to not appear or show who's side he was on. 
Which was obviously Dumbledore's, since Dumbledore said Snape was 
the one who contacted the order about the events that happened when 
Harry though Sirius was captured.
Dumbledore said to Harry: "When, however, you did not return from 
your trip into the forest with Dolores Umbridge, Professor Snape 
grew worried that you still believed Sirius to be a captive of Lord 
Voldemort's. He alerted certain order members at once."


KarentheUnicorn