Lucius & the diary (was: Voldemort's recruitment)

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 128901

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
> Actually, I'm not sure how people knowing about TR & Voldy would 
> play into this particular scenario at all.  If I've understood the 
> argument, it's simply that Lucius Malfoy knew what the diary could 
> do -- that is, release the basilisk.  *If* he knew that could 
> happen, and *if* he suspected the possessor of the diary would be 
> caught & blamed, then he could frame a Weasley as a murderer, 
which would discredit Arthur at the ministry.
> 
>

Tonks:
Sorry to bring all of this up again. But heck, why not.
This whole thing about LM having Tom Riddles "old things" is quite a 
mystery to me. First LM can't be a relative, because Tom is the last 
of the Slytherin line.  Course the way that all the old wizarding 
families are related might make LM and Tom relatives of some sort, 
through Tom's mother's side.  It would seem that unlike all the 
other DE'er including LM's very own sister-in-law,  LM knows that LV 
and TR are the same.  Or does he?  How can this be?  Wouldn't he 
have told his own wife and she would have told her sister Bella??  
So does LM know or not?  Didn't the diary have Tom's name on it??  
Was LM LV's right hand man and that is how he got everything.  And 
even then how did he get these things and when?  And how does LM 
know what the diary will do?  Has he tried to use it?  Surely he 
knows better than to do that if he doesn't know what it will do. Did 
LV tell him?  Why?  Wouldn't LV not want anyone to know that he was 
Tom? And Dobby must have overheard something more than just LM and 
NM talking.  There are just too many unanswered questions here. Was 
Dobby always the Mayfoy's elf, or was he connected to LV and that is 
why he knows? Maybe this is part of what HBP will expand upon. There 
certainly is a lot left out of book 2. What did LM know or not know? 
What did he expect to happen? And the second question would depend 
on the answer to question 1.  I don't think that we can really know 
anything for sure.  

Let's look at the facts and questions:
1. Ministry raids and ML must get rid of things that would 
be "dangerous" to him if found.  (I forgot if it would be because he 
had items of "dark magic", or LV things.  Why was the ministry 
raiding when they did not think that LV was around??  Who initiated 
the raids and why? )
2. Dobby knows something.  We really don't know what he knows, how 
he found it out and if he really came on his own.  It seems that he 
came on his own, but why would he do something so out of character 
for a house elf?
3.  LM sells some items at Knockturn Alley.  He still has the diary 
when he meets the Weasley's at the bookstore.  Now we do not really 
know what LM planned to do with the diary. It could be that giving 
it to Ginny was done on the spur of the moment out of anger.  Maybe 
he only intended to have an item of Dark Magic show up in the 
Weasley home where Arthur would get in trouble. Maybe LM didn't know 
it would end up at school.  Maybe only Dobby knew, sort of a seer 
himself. 

I just can't see a direct cause and effect here.  Granted it has 
been awhile since I read the 2nd. book.  I did see the "other media" 
last week, but I know that it doesn't always match the book.  There 
just seems to be some gapping holes in this whole "plot".  Holes 
that JKR hopes that we will fill in with the wrong information I am 
sure.  

Again some part of the "plot" that we as a group have explored just 
don't fit quite right with other information such as Bella not 
knowing.  Yes, she was in Askaban until book 5, but even so it still 
seems strange. LM would have had to get the stuff just after LV 
turned to vapor and when Bella went to prison and what?...   figured 
out that LV was Tom then?  I just can't figure it all out.  How 
would LM have known what the diary would do?  Just too many loose 
ends here. ???????????

Tonks_op