Lawyers in the Wizard world?
horridporrid03
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Sun May 15 23:38:24 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 128980
>>Tamara:
>Are there lawyers in the wizard world?<
Betsy:
Of course this very much depends on how you define the word, "lawyer"
<g>. Are you talking about someone who goes to law school, passes a
series of tests in order to earn the proper credentials, hangs out a
shingle or joins a pre-existing firm, and works only on matters
pertaining to the law? Or are you talking about someone who
represents another person at a trial? Because the two are not
necessarily interchangable.
If you're refering to the first, I think the answer is no. JKR has
already told us that there is no further schooling past Hogwarts, so
I doubt there's a specific training ground for lawyers (none of the
career pamphlets seemed to cover attorneys) or special tests to take
in order to play the part of representative.
However, if you're thinking about the second, then the answer is a
canonicaly provable, yes.
>>Tamara:
>Harry goes to his "trial" without any representation, no one seems
to be around to represent Hagrid when he is sent off to Azkaban, or
Buckbeat at his trial.<
Betsy:
Actually, only Hagrid is without counsel. (Since there was no trial,
I believe he may have been placed in Azkaban as a sort of holding
pattern. The WW is brutal like that.) Both Harry and Buckbeak have
representatives.
Here's Buckbeak's trial, as described by Hagrid:
"S'all my fault. Got all tongue-tied. They was all sittin' there in
black robes an' I kep' droppin' me notes and forgettin' all them
dates yeh looked up fer me, Hermione. An' then Lucius Malfor stood
up an' said his bit, and the Committee jus' did exac'ly what he
told 'em...." (PoA scholastic hardback ed. p.292)
Hagrid was playing the part of Buckbeak's representative (complete
with examples of legal precedent to argue with) and Malfoy played the
part of prosecutor.
Next there's Harry's hearing. While Dumbledore introduces himself as
a witness for the defense, he behaves very much as Harry's
representative. He calls Mrs. Figg as a witness (after citing law to
ensure she *was* called), and then brings up the very law that gets
Harry off.
"Clause seven of the Decree states that magic may be used before
Muggles in exceptional circumstances, and as those exceptional
circumstances include situations that threaten the life of the wizard
or witch himself, or witches, wizards, or Muggles present at the time
of the --" (OotP scholastic p.148)
In both cases the person (or creature) on trial had someone, armed
with legal knowledge, representing their interests. Clearly, both
Dumbledore and Hagrid are amateurs (Hagrid more amateurish than
Dumbledore). And I think this is probably the case in most, if not
all, trials and hearings in the WW. But just as clearly, there are
laws that guide the proceedings, and people who try and use those
laws to best represent their side.
(I would recommend Expecto Patronus, by Pharnabazus found here:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_essays/7250.html for a
really indepth look on the workings of the WW.)
>>Tamara:
<snip>
>I'm also sorry that the idea of lawyers hasn't been seriously
breached, as it would be a perfect career for Hermione to go into I
think. She did all the research for Buckbeat's trial, and her work
with S.P.E.W. shows she obviously cares a lot for those who don't
have someone on their side.<
<snip>
Betsy:
I can totally see this type of career for Hermione. And I can see
her ushering more formal legal representatives into the WW -- people
who devote themselves soley or mainly to the law. I would argue with
the idea that the idea of lawyers (or more properly, the idea of fair
and equal laws) have not been breached. I think there are so many
examples of *unfair* legal practices within the WW (Sirius, Hagrid,
Umbridge's reign, etc.) and they have been so prominently raised by
JKR, I cannot imagine that she'll allow things to remain status quo.
Betsy
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