Jo's ethics was Sirius's hypocrisy
a_svirn
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Sun May 22 19:26:37 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 129324
> > Alla:
> >
> > Hmmmm, maybe because he realised that he just preached to
> Harry about how badly Sirius treated Kreacher, while he himself
> let Harry live almost the life of house elf for ten years? :-)
>
> Pippin:
> Hmmm, I think Rowling may be dealing with certain
> ethical principles, in particular the principle of formal and
> material cooperation with evil and the principle of toleration.
> This is the language of Christian ethics, and as I am not a
> Christian or an ethicist I may have this all wrong and I would
> appreciate any corrections. My source is a Catholic website
>
> http://www.ascensionhealth.org/ethics/public/key_p
> rinciples/toleration.asp
> http://www.ascensionhealth.org/ethics/public/key_p
> rinciples/cooperation.asp
>
> and I realize that JKR, who is not Catholic, might not share these
> views.
> But here goes :-)
>
> My understanding is Dumbledore didn't send Harry to the Dursleys
> *because* he was going to be abused there, he didn't intend that
> either he or Harry would profit from the abuse, and the danger to
> Harry from Voldemort and his servants was, in Dumbledore's
> estimation, far greater and more immediate than the danger of any
> harm the Dursleys might do. Since the Dursleys were Harry's only
> remaining family, they could have become Harry's guardians (and
> abusers) in any case, so the abuse was not something that
couldn't
> have taken place without Dumbledore's participation.
>
> I think that fits the criteria under which mediate material
> cooperation with evil may be allowed.
>
> The principle of toleration allows one in power to permit the evil
> actions of others if two criteria are met: one does not take part
in
> the evil oneself, and the evil cannot be prevented without causing
> a greater evil or losing a greater good.
>
> Not to take advantage of the blood protection would lose the good
of
> Lily's sacrifice, and allowing Harry to be killed would be a
greater
> evil.
>
> Since Dumbledore believed that he would not have been able to keep
> Harry safe any other way, according to these principles,
> he made a moral decision to leave Harry at the Dursleys and
tolerate
> their behavior, though of course you can disagree with his
premises
> or the principles themselves. (Posts about ethical systems which do
> not reference canon should go to OT-Chatter.)
>
> <snip>
a_svirn:
Suppose you repeat you arguments without inserting Christian
principles of toleration? Would you logic and conclusion differ
terribly? I think not, you'd just get something like: "Since
Dumbledore believed that he would not have been able to keep Harry
safe any other way, he made a decision to leave Harry at the
Dursleys and tolerate their behavior". So why do we need Christian
ethic to figure out something DD already told us?
a_svirn
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