Apparating Lessons

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 129412

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:
> If they are going to study Apparating and you can't Apparate in or
> out of Hogwarts can they study it there or do they have to go 
> somewhere else? Will they be just Apparating from one side of the 
> room to another? Is there some sort of a shield on Hogwarts that it 
> is just the *into* or *out of* that can't be done?  ????
> 
> Tonks_op

bboyminn:

Well, the answer to your first point is relatively easy. You can't
apparate AT Hogwarts, that much as been established repeatedly in the
books; Hermione usually reminds us constantly. But it seems reasonable
that you can Apparate NEAR Hogwarts. 

As I have said several times, all you would have to do is step outside
the front gate and you should be able to Apparate. So, Apparation
lessons on the grounds outside the gate in the somewhat substantial
area between the gates and the train station. If not that then
certainly, they could just go into Hogsmead. It seems reasonable,
although not specifically stated, that people can apparate in and out
of the village. 

To the last point, it has repeatedly been said that you can't Apparate
into or out-of Hogwarts, but does that mean you can't Apparate within
the boundaries of Hogwarts; in other words, Apparate from room to
room, or floor to floor? Is the shield that protects Hogarts a
shell/barrier that can't be crossed, or is it more like a solid sphere
that blocks all Apparation within it's boundaries? I assume that was
the point you were trying to make.

I would think that if you could Apparate within the boudaries, we
would have seen someone do it. Dumbledore would have Apparated down to
 Crouch Sr's location at the edge of the woods, Hagrid would have
Apparated to the same location when Dumbledore called rather than
running. The same is true of Karkaroff, when he heard Viktor was hurt,
certainly if he could have, he would have Apparated. Again, there are
many instances in all the books, where someone 'came running' when
Apparation would have been more practical. 

So, while I can't say for certainty, other than Dobbie, I think the
indications are sufficient to conclude, or at least speculate, that no
Apparation by a wizard can occur within Hogwart's boundaries. One
could speculate that there is a single room that has been excluded at
least from the Apparation within the boundaries, and that room is used
for Apparation lessons, but I personally think it would be much easier
and safer to simply step outside the gates.


I find the whole subject of Magical Transportation very fastinating.
One of my greatest curiousities lies with the specific limits to the
various forms. We know, or at least can reasonably conclude that it is
possible to Portkey from the Black Forest to somewhere in Scotland to
get to the Quidditch World Cup, that's roughly 800 miles. But is that
the limit, or is 1,000 miles possible, or +3,000 to the USA, or approx
10,000 to Australia.

What about Floo, what are it's limitation? Can it cross large bodies
of water? Can you Floo to Ireland or France? Can it cross the ocean?

What about the Knight Bus, it can't stop underwater, but can it travel
across/over water? The Knight Bus seems to make great hops; it jumps
from one road to another, from one part of the country to another, so
could it jump the roughly 30 miles that separates Ireland from
Scotland, or the roughly 30 miles that separates France from England?
I would speculate that it could. But certainly it has some
limitations; I'd like to know exactly what they are.

While we are at it, how fast could the fastest broom fly; 200mph,
250mph, 300... 400... 1,000mph? Enquiring minds want to know.

When you Apparate is there a sense of time, space, and movement; or is
it just 'poof' and you are there. Note that both Portkey and Floo
travel do both have a sense of time, space, and movement. Is it
logical to conclude that Apparation is the same?

These forms of magical transportation can't be based on an
enchantments of infinite magical power. JKR herself said she worked
very hard to decide what the limits are on magic. So, I conclude each
of these various forms of magical tranportation does indeed have well
defined limits. I just wish I knew what they were. 

Really... enquiring minds want to know.

Steve/bboyminn