Ruddy stargazers and The Prophecy (long)

[Chys Lattes]

No: HPFGUIDX 129504

"dungrollin": 
That's the problem with trying to tell the future, if you're any good 
at it, the future you predict ought to take into account your own 
actions which result from having predicted that future. So to speak.

Chys: 
*Sorry in advance if I repeat something someone else said, I haven't 
read the responses.*

This makes me think that Trelawney's prophecies/predictions are self 
fulfilling.

I think she caused Neville to drop that cup simply by mentioning it.

There was mention of Voldemort attacking Harry because he thought he 
was fulfilling the requirements of the prophecy by destroying him (Or 
some such thing perhaps worded differently,) and then he ended up 
marking him and fulfilling it anyway, in a different manner. I'm 
certain others have mentioned it before, but if there were no 
prophecy, he never would have done that, am I wrong?

The Centaur Fierenze said something about it's not an exact art, in 
that they can't be sure that what they are predicting is actually 
factual predictions, it can be interpreted in many ways and if you 
aren't skilled you won't see it at all, (But with different wording, 
I'm bad at remembering exact phrases, that's the gist of what I 
remember from that chapter...) so it's all just smoke and mirrors IMO.

*Just a thought-* I've always thought prophecies were cheap ways of 
messing with the story (No put-downs to authors who use them, but 
it's redundant and irritating to me,) since they always seem to be 
self-fulfilling regardless of any character's actions for or against 
them.


"dungrollin": 
("No, I don't fancy rain today, move the dial to ... Mediterranean 
summer
evening"). 

Chys: Oh, I had a laugh over this! LOL! And I don't believe I have 
seen Hermione on a sugar high either. *would retreat back a step.*

"dungrollin": 
DD says something about Voldy wanting the prophecy so he could find
out how to kill Harry, but the prophecy appears to say no such
thing. What's going on?

Chys:

There was a conversation here about this before... Forgive me, but I 
don't know what post number or who was involved, but I agree with 
them that DD was not showing Harry every detail of the Prophecy, the 
way it was worded just seemed off to me, when compared to the other 
Trelawney prophecy as given, and I know JKR could have done better if 
that were the complete version. If it is complete "as is" I believe I 
will be severely disappointed in her on that part. 

It could just be that LV thought there was more, and that's simply 
the driving point, or that there were something in what little of the 
message there was that LV could glean from it and find a way to bring 
the boy down. I do think it's connected to that part you 
mentioned, "neither can live while the other survives." At first, I 
just figured it was simple and basic, one has to die for the other to 
live. Now I'm not so sure, I think it's connected to the smoke 
snakes, but that was never properly explained in the book. I hope she 
elaborates further later on.

Chys