Why Can't Harry and LV live while the other survives?

[curlyhornedsnorkack]

No: HPFGUIDX 142441

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Beatrice23" <beatrice23 at y...>
wrote:
>
> > Snorky :
> > I know what the prophesy in Book 5 says, but I don't see any reason
> > why LV and Harry  can't go on living their separate lives. What in 
> the books, other than The prophesy, indicates that they can't?  Has 
> JKR given us any reasons so far? > 
> > 
> > I would greatly appreciate the favor of sticking to the books and 
> to logic to find your reasons. If you want to SPEW about something 
> else, please start up your own separate thread. Thanks!
> > 
> > Snorky
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Snorky:
> 
> The quote is: "and either must die at the hand of the other for 
> neither can live while the other survives"  (OotP 841 - American 
> Edition). There is more of course.  Let me know and I can put the 
> whole quote here.
>  
> Initially, I thought this meant that either Harry must kill LV or LV
> must kill Harry. After reading HBP, I suspected that this actually
> means something different. I believe that the prophesy means
> that Harry must die inorder for LV to live and thus be killed by
> someone else.  I do base my reading on the text and I would be happy 
> to share a couple of points.  (Please know that I have many more, 
> but for the sake of the elves will keep it as brief as possible)
> 
> In HBP, Fudge tells the PM this about LV: "'Yes, alive,' said
> Fudge. 'That is - I don't know - is a man alive if he can't be
> killed? I don't really understand it, and Dumbledore won't explain
> it properly...'" There are other references to the fact that LV is
> not really alive and this is the reason he cannot be killed. This
> is of course explained to the reader by Dumbledore when he tells
> Harry about the horcruxes: [Harry asked] "'So if all of his
> Horcruxes are destroyed, Voldemort could be killed?' 'Yes, I think
> so,' said Dumbledore."
> 
> We know that LV is not really alive, but he would be "alive" if his
> horcruxes are destroyed and capable of dying. So Harry's mission of
> course becomes destroying the Horcruxes. However, as DD tells us,
> there is one horcrux that is an unknown object, I believe that that
> horcrux is Harry. (I can go into my reasoning here, but I have
> already completely gone over the "couple of lines" you requested and
> my thoughts are long and complicated here - let me know and I will
> post it elsewhere.) Remember, "NEITHER can LIVE while the other
> SURVIVES." Voldemort cannot LIVE while Harry survives. Thus he
> cannot be killed unless Harry dies. I hope that JKR has some kind
> of loop hole for this, but I think it follows along too nicely with
> her theme of self-sacrifice for the good of others.
> 
> It is totally possible of course that it is as simple as one must 
> kill the other; however JKR usually complicates her ideas to keep us 
> guessing.  Which could also mean that this idea is too simple and 
> she may have something more in mind.  
> 
> I love that you are more optomistic about the prophecy than some of 
> us here, but how about a little respect for different opinions.  We 
> can quote the canon at each other all day long, but at the end of 
> the day we will probably still have different readings of the same 
> text.  That is the beauty of literature.
> 
> Sending warm wishes your way,
> 
> Beatrice
>