Harry living or dying at the end ( again) WAS: Re: Harrycrux and possession

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 142513

> KJ writes:
>     There have been some truly awe-inspiring posts on the 
possession and 
> horcrux theories of late but they seem to revolve around the theme 
of 
> Harry's survival. I would like to add some thoughts to this 
scenario.

Alla:

Hi, Kathryn! I hope you will forgive me for continuing to argue for  
the possibility of Harry's survival. I made no  secret that I 
really, really, really want Harry to survive the series and if the 
death would be his only reward for all trials and tribulations of 
his life, that would probably one plot development that would make 
me put the books away and not come back to them. And I am NOT one of 
those readers who are ready to put the books away if the plot does 
not develop according to their wishes.


Right, so even though I want it to happen, I believe that canon 
leaves a possibility of that to come true. Although you could be 
right to - I think that possibility of Harry living or dying stands 
about 50/50 right now.


KJ:
JKR has made it plain that he hates it. What 
> would happen to his life if he became "the boy who vanquished 
Voldemort 
> forever"? It doesn't appear to me to be the kind of life he would 
want 
> to lead.

Alla:

But who says that this IS  the kind of life he would continue to 
lead if he survives at the end? Maybe he dissappears from the radar 
of WW and would leave a quiet life surrounding by the loved ones. 
Maybe though, he will acceept the role of the leader and will learn 
to disregard public curiousity, just like Dumbledore did.



KJ: 
> 2.  Harry has had everyone he cares about taken away from him 
except 
> Hermione, Ron, and Ginny. If he had a choice between walking into 
the 
> arch of the Veil, taking Voldemort with him, and being greeted by 
his 
> parents, Sirius, Dumbledore, and perhaps Ginny (if this plays 
out), or 
> living the kind of life he would be faced with as a survivor, 
which do 
> you think he would choose? 
<snip>

Alla:

I personally like  Steve's speculation that Harry would go through 
Veil while battling Voldemort and  then after being greeted by loved 
ones comes back, because he still has many people who love him on 
the other side.

He has many adult figures taken from him, true. But Remus is alive, 
ALL Weasleys who love him as their own are alive, as you said Ron, 
Hermione and Ginny are alive, so I think Harry has plenty of those 
who want him to live.

But I will absolutely grant you that if during the book 7 Ginny 
dies, Harry IS a goner.


KJ:
>> 6.   As I have long suspected that Snape will also be killed in 
his 
> redemption, I believe that it will be at the instant of 
Voldemort's true 
> death. I believe that the mark may cause the death, similar to the 
> burning up of Dumbledore's hand, of all of the DEs at the death of 
> Voldemort. This would be the only way that anyone in the WW could 
> possibly be convinced that Voldemort was truly dead this time.

Alla:

Well, today I am in the charitable mood, so much as I want Snape to 
suffer, I don't think that it is impossible for him to survive 
either. :-)

Something has to happen to the Mark, true. It could as you said 
cause death, OR it could dissappear because of coming in contact 
with Love magic or something like that.

Oh, and JKR did say that the last word of last chapter is 
still "scar", so of course she can be pulling a fast one on us and 
not talking about Harry's scar, but if she does, i think it is more 
logical that she would be saying something to the effect " when he 
looked in the mirror , he did not see his famous scar" ( something 
more nicely writtem of course :-)) than about scar on Harry's body.




KJ:
 > 7.   I tend to think that Ron and Hermione will survive as there 
needs 
> to be some continuity shown between the world of Harry Potter as 
it was 
> and the new safe world that his sacrifice has brought. There has 
to be 
> some hope and resolution at the end.


Alla:

You could be right. I tend to think that all three of them will 
survive personally. I think JKR can pull it off and not to make it 
cheesy.

Alla,

who obviously just speculates here.