Harry living or dying at the end ( again) WAS: Re: Harrycrux and possession

[lucianam73]

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> > Alla:
> >  (snipped)
(answering to Kathryn Jones) ... Although you could be 
> > right to - I think that possibility of Harry living or dying 
stands 
> > about 50/50 right now.
> > 

 
> Snorky: 
> 
"In years to come, Harry would never quite remember how he had
> managed to get through his exams when he half expected Voldemort to
> come bursting through the door at any moment."
> 
> Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part, but the fact that 
Harry
> comes to a time in which he has the luxury to let his memory
> stray to his first year at Hogwarts, indicates to me that he will 
be
> alive for at least several years after he has finished with 
Hogwarts.

Lucianam:

I've been following the Harrycrux discussions (very interesting!!) 
and I like this 'Will Harry live or not?' spin-off a lot.

I think snorky might be on to something. Of course it could be a 
flint but what if it's not? So Harry's chances of living would be 
bigger than 50 percent, if JKR wrote that purposefully.

About Harry finding death preferable to life, even if Ginny, or Ron, 
or Hermione, or all of them died ... Wasn't the whole point of the 
mirror of Erised trying to teach Harry he should keep his focus in 
his life? Even if the most desperate desire of his heart had no 
chance whatsoever of being a part of that life? 

And also in PoA, when Lupin is teaching Harry the Patronus spell, 
Harry was torn between wishing to hear his parents' voices over and 
over and focusing on the Quidditch cup. That was quite meaningful: 
you's think his parents were more important than Quidditch, but the 
trick was to remember his parents were dead, they were not going to 
come back. And Quidditch was real.

I guess the message here is, no matter how imperfect your life is, 
it's your life and the only one you got, and you should value it 
more than memories and dreams and frustrations. So if Harry chooses 
death, even if there's a lot of loved ones beyond the veil, it'll be 
very inconsistent with most of the things he's been accomplishing. 
IMHO.

I don't mean Harry WON'T choose to die if that proves to be the only 
way to defeat Voldemort -  Dumbledore did say 'there are things 
worse than death'.  

But that sentence has two different focuses to it, I think: one, a 
choice between dying and betraying your friends, for example. Harry 
has shown himself capable, until now, of making sacrifices - I 
think, like Sirius said Peter should have, he would die rather than 
betray his friends. And a second focus, it could mean living a life 
so horrible one would wish to be dead instead. That is what I think 
is inconsistent with Harry's character. I can't imagine JKR would 
write suicidal Harry! (well, that's my opinion, anyway)

On the other hand, she could write suicidal Voldemort. After all, 
Dumbledore was speaking to Voldemort when he said 'there are worse 
things than death', possibly meaning that'll be a lesson Voldemort 
will have to learn in the future. I don't see Voldemort making any 
sacrifices and chosing an honorable death to save people's lives, as 
opposite to Harry. But I can see Voldemort suffering so much he 
would prefer to die, say, if he lost all his magical powers and were 
reduced to something like a Muggle or a squib.

Just to be fair, I'll imagine Harry in the same situation - stripped 
of all his magical powers. I don't think he'd wish to die, he's 
mature enough to understand magic isn't everything. It can't stop 
people from dying, it doesn't make sure everyone likes you, and so 
on.

Hey! Anyone thinks that'd be a possible ending to the series, Harry 
being deprived of all his magical powers because he loses his scar? 
Could ALL Harry's magical powers have been passed on to him by 
Voldemort when he AK'ed him as a baby? That'd mean Harry is a squib, 
ha ha ha. Crazy. 

Lucianam