"That awful boy" (Was: Comparing Lupin and Harry )

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 142821

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" 
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Ceridwen" 
<ceridwennight at h...> 
> wrote:
>  
> > 
> > Ceridwen:
> > But Lily would have had a reason to bring James home besides 
having 
> a 
> > friend from school over for a holiday - she married him.  She 
would 
> > have wanted to introduce him to her parents, they would have 
talked 
> > (about DADA class among other things?)during his stay, and 
Petunia 
> > overheard them.
> 
> Hickengruendler:
> 
> I totally agree with you. That's why I don't think that it's James. 
> It makes absolute sense for him to be it, and if he's the done, who 
> spoke with Lily, than why wouldn't JKR just say. "Petunia overheard 
a 
> conversation between Harry's parents..." or something like that. 
> Instead JKR specifically mentioned that Petunia overheard Lily 
> talking with someone, not mentioning the name. That suggests to me, 
> that it is not the most obvious candidate, who even was mentioned 
in 
> the book. Why should JKR make that a secret, if the speaker was 
> James? By the way, I think this argument, is also partly true for 
> Remus and Sirius. Why make a secret out of it, that Lily had some 
> close contact with them, even if it was at her own house? I can not 
> see, what it would offer for the storyline.
>  
> I think it is Snape, and that this is the reason, why Severus 
changed 
> sides. He still had some feelings for Lily (even if it was simply a 
> very strange sort of friendship, because she defended him), and 
> didn't want anything to happen to her. But as alternative 
candidates, 
> I won't rule out Wormtail or Regulus.
> 
> Hickengruendler
>

I'm wondering how old Lily was when she brought home this "nasty 
boy"?  Was she around 11 or 12?  I cannot see her doing this at an 
older age, after the pensive memory in OotP.  Also, if she brought 
Snape home over the holidays for a visit, don't you think that James 
or Sirius would have noticed that?  Hogwarts isn't a small school, 
but James seems to have liked Lily for a while.   In fact, if Lily, 
as a Griffidor, had a close, friendly relationship with Snape, a 
Slytherin, when they were first starting out at Hogwarts, wouldn't 
that have been noticed?  In Harry's times, and also based on the 
MMWP's friendship, seems like that close friendships, ones where you 
would invite them home for the holidays, would be noticed and be 
common knowledge amongst that boy(James) who really liked Lily - he 
would have found out everything there is to know about her, don't you 
think?

I could see it being Sirius as the nasty boy - a nasty boy doesn't 
have to mean ugly or greasy(poor Snape; regardless of which camp you 
live in with him, he is always getting the short end of the stick 
when it comes to preconceived notions), it could also mean someone 
with a nasty sense of humor, which is what I see when I visualize 
teen Sirius.  Oh, how he must have tormented Petunia!!  And Sirius 
would know a thing or two about dementors.  Or James for that 
matter.  We know Petunia thought that James was a lay-about, so why 
not make him nasty as well?

colebiancardi
(could be wrong; it could have been Snape; however, I think that may 
have been early on when they first started Hogwarts, not as older 
teens)