What would a successful AK mean?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 142875

Sydney:
  Fast forward to several months
> later, when we have an overheard conversation:  Snape is saying he
> doesn't want to do something, and Dumbledore is saying that he
> promised he would do and he should do it. 

Alla:

Again, IMO, there are MANY intepretations of this scene,which are 
consistent with ESE! or OFH! Snape.

What Snape may not want to do that Dumbledore wants him to? First of 
all  he may not want to spy anymore OR he may not want to watch over 
Harry anymore and Dumbledore keeps insisting OR he may not want to 
teach DADA anymore, because he did not know about the curse earlier, 
but he knows now. See? :-)


Sydney:
 <SNIP>> If this is the Big Betrayal, even assuming that a by-the-
book plotter
> like JKR would place it so extremely oddly at the transition into 
the
> 'third act', as it were, it is simply inconceivable that she would
> fail to show Dumbldore undergoing the transition from trust to
> betrayal. 

Alla:

It is not inconceivable to me especially if one speculates that even 
when he saw the betrayal, Dumbledore still believed in Snape inner 
goodness ( stupid, but very Dumbledorish, if you ask me :-))

You know, Dumbledore may foresee the future and trusts that at the 
end Snape will do the right thing, or something like that. Or 
Dumbledore trusts that Snape protects Draco.


Sydney:
<SNIP>
 For the series to end with Dumbldore's trust being
> mistaken, and Harry's hatred to be correct, it would have to have
> established a 'minor-key' from the beginning, by having a dark,
> noirish feeling and a cynical message.  I'm not against dark writing
> at all, but HP is decidedly a major-key work.

Alla:

If we come back to the idea that this is a Harry story first and 
foremost, I absolutely do not see  the dark message even if Snape 
turns out to be evil or OFH. Why? Because I think it is very possible 
that Harry will forgive him or something like that and Harry's 
ability to love ( power Dark Lord knows not, but Snape knows love 
since he was loved) will force Snape to do the right thing at the end.

I am not sure why you think it would be a dark message.

Oh, and of course  the secondary message would be trust in yourself, 
not in authority figures, no matter how wise they are. I don't see 
this one as very dark one either. 

> 
> Antosha:
> My point about police officers wasn't that they weren't bound by 
the same laws; it was that 
> the AK isn't in and of itself proof of evil.


Alla:

But don't you think that there is a reason why JKR used the word 
Unforgiveable when she described those three curses? I mean, true 
unfortunately she did not define what she meant to be dark magic in 
the series in general, but it is pretty clear when those three curses 
stand, no?

I think using three curses carries a symbolic meaning and not a good 
one. Even trying to use them seems  not to be a good thing, but 
succesfully using them seems to me to be a pretty good indicator 
where the character stands . IMO of course.

Besides example with Aurors, as proof for Unforgiveables being OK, 
which as I said I am not sure about being a strong one, there is 
really nothing else in canon to support it, no?




Antosha:
<SNIP>
> I don't think Snape is a nice man or even a particularly good 
person. But I can see at least 
> the possibility that he did what he did for honorable--or, at least-
-justifyable reasons.
>


Alla:

YES, justifiable reasons I can see as wrote earlier - it does not sit 
well with me, but I can see it - as in Snape honestly thinking that 
that would be  the lesser of two evils, especially if Dumbledore is 
dying at the moment, but honorable reasons? Sorry, do not see it at 
all.


JMO obviously,

Alla